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Oil price predicted to fall to $60 unless OPEC cuts back

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Oil price predicted to fall to $60 unless OPEC cuts back

CBCCBC – Mon, 24 Nov, 2014
Oil is again under pressure this week, ahead of a meeting Thursday in Vienna in which the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries will decide whether to cut back production.

Prices could plunge to $60 US a barrel if OPEC does not agree to a significant output cut this week, according to market players.

West Texas Intermediate crude oil trading in New York was down 80 cents Monday, to $75.71 US, and Western Canada Select was down $1.48 cents, to $58.53 US.

Brent crude, the price of half the world’s oil, has fallen 34 per cent since June and on Monday traded at $79.56, down $1.00.

Goldman Sachs predicted last month that WTI could fall to $70 a barrel. Now that the price hovers a little above that level, traders say it is set to go lower.

Daniel Bathe, of Lupus Alpha Commodity Invest Fund, says Brent crude could fall to $60 a barrel if there is no OPEC cut.

“The market would question the credibility of OPEC and its influence on global oil markets if there was no cut,” he said.

No consensus on OPEC decision

There is no consensus over whether OPEC is willing to cut back its production to deal with falling world demand for oil and an increase in oil supply from the U.S. shale boom.

Iran, which has limited access to markets because of sanctions, is believed to want a cut in production, as does Venezuela, which needs a higher oil price to meet its massive debt burden.

But Saudi Arabia, which usually makes the sacrifice to keep the cartel strong, is believed to be increasingly reluctant to cut back, because that would just give other jurisdictions more leeway to boost production.

“OPEC can’t balance the market alone,” former Qatari Oil Minister Abdullah Bin Hamad Al Attiyah told Bloomberg. “This time, Russia, Norway and Mexico must all come to the table. OPEC can make a cut, but what will happen is that non-OPEC supply will continue to grow. Then what will the market do?”

Half the analysts in a Bloomberg survey last week forecast that OPEC would cut production from its official 30 million barrel-a-day production target, but the other half said a cut was unlikely.

Some investors believe a small cut — of around 500,000 barrels a day — would not be enough to calm the markets. Many believe OPEC will have to cut at least one million barrels to be sure the Brent price would stay above $80.

Prices could fall, even with a cut

Doug King, chief investment officer of RCMA Capital, sees Brent falling to $70, even with a cut of one million barrels.

U.S. imports of crude oil from OPEC nations are at their lowest level in almost 30 years, representing just 40 per cent of U.S. domestic demand. Meanwhile, shale oil production jumped to nine million barrels a day, cutting into crude imports.

“A surprise significant cut, say of two million barrels per day, is needed to push prices back up to $80," said Doug Hepworth of Gresham Investment Management. "And that would have to be accompanied by some new-found discipline in the non-Saudi members.”

Certainly Saudi Arabia has been content to let the oil price slide in the last two months, failing to intervene when Brent slipped below $80 and WTI hit the $75 threshold.

The Saudis met with Russia last week with prices high on the agenda. The falling oil price is costing Russia up to $100 billion a year, its finance minister has said.

The world is oversupplied by an estimated two million barrels a day OPEC estimates, because of declining demand in China, Japan and Europe as their economies slow.

The low prices have hurt the Canadian oilpatch, leading to production cutbacks. A WTI price below $60 would make some oilsands production unviable.
 

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The Saudis will let it slide all the way down to $40-$45.
 

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I'll be very surprised if Saudi Arabia and Nigeria cut back. The Saudi's know that the West is stupid, once there is a glut of something they'll pig out on it. Nigeria needs the revenue for their military build up to take on Boko Haram.

As for the USA, once the Appalachian fracking comes on0line, they'll have no use for Keystone. This will also put them at a tactical advantage with Russia, as the Russian economy sinks further into the mud Putin will be forced to compromise.

Canada is the big loser here. Harper's economic policies have ensured that we are a commodities dependent economy. As it is raw material economies go through boom and bust cycles and we are on the downside. Perhaps he should worry less about pimps and perverts and figure out how to shore up Ontario and Quebec.
 

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The aim of this oil glut is to bring Putin under control. If he is allowed to partition the Ukraine he will go after the Baltic States next. When that happens, the Balts will invoke Article 5 of NATO's defense doctrine and viola WWIII.
 

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This is a win-win-win for me. Lower oil prices drive down the Canadian dollar, which helps my business. It also helps my wallet when I fill up the tank. Plus, less foreign supply means a focus on more domestic supply.

The only place it really hurts me is my investment in energy stocks, or if I want to travel to the U.S.
 

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As the price of oil comes down we get increasingly ripped off at the pump.

Around 6-8 years ago when oil was $100/barrel we were paying $1/litre. Now oil is at $75/barrel yet we are paying $1.15/litre. How does that work? That is a 50% increase in the spread.

As well, where there used to be a 6 cent difference between regular and mid-grade, now it is a 12 cent difference. They are sneaky pricks.
 

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As the price of oil comes down we get increasingly ripped off at the pump.

Around 6-8 years ago when oil was $100/barrel we were paying $1/litre. Now oil is at $75/barrel yet we are paying $1.15/litre. How does that work? That is a 50% increase in the spread.

As well, where there used to be a 6 cent difference between regular and mid-grade, now it is a 12 cent difference. They are sneaky pricks.
Well you see during those years of plenty, raises, promotions, things like that happened.
So of course it costs more.....
 

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As the price of oil comes down we get increasingly ripped off at the pump.

Around 6-8 years ago when oil was $100/barrel we were paying $1/litre. Now oil is at $75/barrel yet we are paying $1.15/litre. How does that work? That is a 50% increase in the spread.

As well, where there used to be a 6 cent difference between regular and mid-grade, now it is a 12 cent difference. They are sneaky pricks.
And how about all the airlines and trucking/courier companies who tacked on fuel surcharges. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to remove the surcharges now that prices have fallen.
 

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And how about all the airlines and trucking/courier companies who tacked on fuel surcharges. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to remove the surcharges now that prices have fallen.
May I bend over and have some more, please, sir?
 

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And how about all the airlines and trucking/courier companies who tacked on fuel surcharges. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to remove the surcharges now that prices have fallen.
And don't expect them to wait until it's back at its peak before bumping those surcharges up again.
 

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As the price of oil comes down we get increasingly ripped off at the pump.

Around 6-8 years ago when oil was $100/barrel we were paying $1/litre. Now oil is at $75/barrel yet we are paying $1.15/litre. How does that work? That is a 50% increase in the spread.

As well, where there used to be a 6 cent difference between regular and mid-grade, now it is a 12 cent difference. They are sneaky pricks.

I got gas for $1.01 today. Nice for a chsnge when filling up a 135 litre F150. I expect it will be under one dollar before too long...holy shit....just checked my Gasbuddy app...it's $0.99 at the Olco in Deseronto!
 

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The aim of this oil glut is to bring Putin under control. If he is allowed to partition the Ukraine he will go after the Baltic States next. When that happens, the Balts will invoke Article 5 of NATO's defense doctrine and viola WWIII.
Also ISIS has been selling oil on the black market which is helping fund there terrorism. This will hurt them.

And how about all the airlines and trucking/courier companies who tacked on fuel surcharges. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to remove the surcharges now that prices have fallen.
A couple of airlines have stated that the surcharge will remain. (It's helping the bottom line).
 

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As for the USA, once the Appalachian fracking comes on0line, they'll have no use for Keystone. This will also put them at a tactical advantage with Russia, as the Russian economy sinks further into the mud Putin will be forced to compromise.
I do not believe that this will be the case, the USA is interested in creating a situation where there is energy self sufficiency and stability in the economy. The west have been pumping money into the middle east for the last 50 years and Russia for the last 20 years to feed the fat A r a b s and Russian oligarchs. By buying 25% of oil from the middle east and outside countries the American economy depleting itself of financial reserves when that money can be pumped right back into North America. The oil reserves in northern Canada is the key for the US to show the world that they do not have to buy from outside. Especially during a military emergency. The Keystone pipeline is a way for the west ( USA ) to back flush the crap the middle east and the Russians have been serving up to us.

The aim of this oil glut is to bring Putin under control. If he is allowed to partition the Ukraine he will go after the Baltic States next. When that happens, the Balts will invoke Article 5 of NATO's defense doctrine and viola WWIII.
The Keystone pipeline is strategic if there is any outbreak of war. There are no guarantee of oil supplies during times of war, and the any outside oil will come at an inflated price. With the pipeline in place the potential supply of oil will bring current prices down and ensure a supply in an emergency. A reliable supply of oil is not just to put Putin in his place, it can also put the Arabs and any South American dictators in their place. Imagine a world where the USA is energy self sufficient. The oil that Americans do not buy will cause a glut that will bring prices down in Europe and increase supplies for China.
 

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A couple of airlines have stated that the surcharge will remain. (It's helping the bottom line).
And federal income tax was just a temporary measure.
 

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As the price of oil comes down we get increasingly ripped off at the pump.

Around 6-8 years ago when oil was $100/barrel we were paying $1/litre. Now oil is at $75/barrel yet we are paying $1.15/litre. How does that work? That is a 50% increase in the spread.

As well, where there used to be a 6 cent difference between regular and mid-grade, now it is a 12 cent difference. They are sneaky pricks.
Great point I have wondered that same thing. When the price goes up the pumps go up the next day and yet all the big oil companies forward buy months in advance so they bought at the lower price. Why we let this collusion exist is inexcusable
 

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Great point I have wondered that same thing. When the price goes up the pumps go up the next day and yet all the big oil companies forward buy months in advance so they bought at the lower price. Why we let this collusion exist is inexcusable
WE don't let it. The gov't does. When the gas companies do well, so does the gov't.

Instead the gov't nailed the chocolate bar companies for collusion. Small potatoes compared to oil/gas.
 

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Interesting that the western media are talking about OPEC and everybody else having to cut oil production when it is the Saudis who are overproducing in order to punish the Russians. Russia can withstand the pressure, as it's cutting long-term deals with Eastern clients, especially China. As imports are getting too expensive for Russia because of the falling of the Ruble, their industries are getting a big domestic boost to pick up the slack, plus their exports are getting more competitive. Despite the anger of German industrialists, Merkel is agreeing more and more with US sanctions against Russia. Russia will merely turn its trade to new markets in Asia, and unencumbered by a US dollar and the applications of US extraterritorial law that goes along with it. Interesting that Canada is the latest country to arrange direct trade with China without having to use the US dollar as an intermediary.

The Western Press didn't report the meetings at APEC amongst many G20 members about the new trade and economic alliances being made between Russia, China, the other BRICS and other Asian countries, as they wish to end their dependence on dollar dominated trade; even Turkey is interested in joining. The Saudis, along with the approving US, are cutting their noses to spite their faces. It isn't doing Canada very much good either. Harper is spiting Putin, but he totally relies on the US to back him up. Harper's reward for being the US' yapping poodle as they meddle in Eastern European affairs: he is indirectly going to harm his power base in Alberta as the falling price of oil caused by Saudi overproduction will shortly dip below the cost of extraction; that will be especially true for oil sands. Harper is merely looking for votes from Ukrainian descendants, whereas the US seeks to expand it's empire to the very borders of Russia despite the economic hardships caused to the rest of the world. Harper may get a few Ukrainian votes, but he's going to be unpopular in the oil patch before long, and on the rest of Alberta as this affects the rest of the economy.

Long term though, the surge in US petroleum exports is not going to last, as shale production is only estimated for 10 years. Meanwhile, Russian's oil production will last at least another century.
 

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Long term though, the surge in US petroleum exports is not going to last, as shale production is only estimated for 10 years. Meanwhile, Russian's oil production will last at least another century.
That is why the USA must achieve self sufficiency from foreign oil. The Keystone pipeline once in place will ensure a stable oil supply in the US and that there is a reliable oil supplie in times of emergency. As the US and other countries ship billions of dollars per day to the middle east, Russia and South American countries for their oil, it is a drain on the US financially. I do not know the estimates for fracked oil, if these supplies are to dwindle in 10 years then the Keystone pipeline is necessary ensure world oil price stability. As fracked oil diminishes the Keystone pipeline can be turned on. It is estimated that the recoverable oil resources in Alberta puts these reserves in the same league as Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. The Alberta government estimates that with current technology, 10% of its bitumen and heavy oil can be recovered, which would give it about 200 ( B ) billion barrels of recoverable oil reserves. The oil producers of the world know that once these resources are tapped it will not be shut off. Long term I see oil headed down to hover between $50-60 a barrel. OPEC must stall the inevitable.

 

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Nice to see some oil speculators get slaughtered especially the stockholder billionaires. Unfortunately low prices arent great for Canada. I think we could start to see bankruptcies if the price continues to fall. I would only bet on the strong names after their prices fall a few like Imperial Oil are still trading near their highs while most have fallen by 30-50%. Lack of transparency arrogance overvaluation they get what they deserve.
 
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