I hope you are right, but it seems that some local LE such as York don't necessarily have better things to do than go out 110 % after the sex trade. The first martyr charged as a purchaser of sex can claim entrapment, but C36 is very clear and the charges will stick all the way to the SCC, which could take another 4 to 5 years. Who will pay the john's legal cost? Will Mr Young defend the case pro bono? Here in Toronto where LE are selective and tolerant of the sex trade obviously more so than in other areas of Canada , expect them to make a major politically motivate showcase bust for a variety reasons. No C36 cannot slay the sex trade but it can cause a quick and immediate recession. Expect a diminished john pool and increased in fighting and sabotage between massage parlours, holistics and incalls. Before next fall someone, some where in Canada will have been charged, convicted under C36 and have a criminal record. Your post is misleading and promotes a false sense of security.
What are the short-term consequences of C-36?
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And he keeps referencing US-type enforcement despite the completely different legal/political/social context.
Your opinion differs greatly from all the legal minds that we have spoken to, but you are entitled to your opinion, and yes, there are a boat load of lawyers waiting and willing to take on that first case pro bono. as my lawyers put it, a first year law clerk can get a client off of those charges.
God Bless.........Andy
Also how many of those arrests were for street prostitution and how many of them were for indoor prostitution?
Less different post c36. Social context and enforcement differs across Canada as much as it does across the US. Montreal, Toronto, York Region, and Calgary are all going to take very different approaches, just like New York, San vFran, and Dallas have very different enforcement.
I note that the usual suspects on this thread have turned to character assassination again to compensate for their lack of an argument.
Assertion:Ah, yes. And then fuji resorts to attacks when it is shown that the facts don't back up his assertions.
Typical.
C36 gives the police significantly more power to arrest and prosecute those who purchase sex than the previous laws did. For example, someone who resorts to an incall no longer needs to be arrested in the incall itself, unlike under the old law. They can be arrested outside, or even at a later date.
I have made no assertion as to what the police will decide to do with the additional, broader powers they have been given and nothing from you has disputed the core point.
If the police decide to run a john sweep the new law gives them many more ways to do that.
(I have not attacked anyone. The character assassinations all come from your camp, like your post here which is a mild version of the malicious posts from your comrades.)
Agreed, I just have issue with the applicability of broad-brush, full-blown, US-type enforcement to areas like Toronto - where our politics, social norms, notion of liberty, etc, are far different than those regions in the US where strict enforcement is practiced.
I don't doubt arrests will be made, but I'm guessing those arrests will (largely) be quota-driven rather than purely ideological - as is the case in the US.
There are 3 top spas in toronto. I guarantee you don't have 15 girls/week applying from those spas. Perhaps from elsewhere in the gta, but that wasn't what I was talking about. (if you knew how many escorts never look back when they learn they can make more in massage per hour without fs....).
None of that matters.
Good! As you should! I've been fortunate to never encounter any of that madness.
I don't know which spas you have beef with, and I don't care. That has fuck all to do with me or c36. Deal with drama elsewhere. But don't lump all spas together.
You aren't the only one to pay your dues. Different trenches but dues none the less.
There is a new trafficking squad.
I actually agree with fuji. Mud slinging helps no one. We are all in this together. The whole industry.Ah, yes. And then fuji resorts to attacks when it is shown that the facts don't back up his assertions.
Typical.
lmao. Ya you are right, agency owners deal with a little more than girls getting rashes from a reaction to the massage oils. Have a good nite.:wink:
God Bless..............Andy
nah, taylor doesnt let me within 100 yards of the phones. lol. Time for a beer. Im outta here.Andy, don't you have phones to answer?? Lol
God Bless.............Andy
That would be the Metro West detention centre just north of the RWY 23 localizer approximately 2.3 NM from the threshold.
As for all the agency/mp owners telling you everything is going to be ok what do you expect. They have every reason to assure everyone on the board that come December 6 or whatever it is business as usual. They have a vested interest in assuring every one that everything is great and that Alan Young whoever he is has told them don't worry.
Of course anyone who expresses concern such as the Supreme Court lawyer is marginalized and criticized. There are certain contributors that I don't even read anymore. I skip their posts as if they didn't happen.
Most of it is turf protecting and bs. Be careful out there boys. Remember johns are the new fags.
I'm glad to hear your thoughts and a little relieved also to hear lawyers are chomping at the bit to take action.
Hopefully LE realizes that good agencies are needed for the safety of the ladies.
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Duck and cover chicken little, I hear the sky is falling...
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As you must necessarily must attempt to quell the fears and concerns of your clients about the new law to keep your business viable, so must the criminal lawyers quell your fears and concerns to retain or attract new clients. It is not surprising that criminal lawyers competing for clients would give them assurances that they can easily defend them against C36 which is not even in effect yet. So far nothing you have said suggests that my plush ass has immunity from C36 should I decide to purchase sex and get arrested and charged. The entrapment defense is ludicrously simplistic and even if you are correct, then the next step for the Conservatives would be to make prostitution illegal, so that prostitutes, pimps and johns would be criminals. Thanks you for sharing what your legal counsel opinioned about johns and entrapment, however you did not say anything about how would those living off the avails beat C36. Did your lawyers tell you that pimps who do not use underage workers, who are not associated with human trafficking, drugs or where not born looking like North Preston's Finest need not worry?
Nice Lomotil! /\ /\
Fact is these people claiming immunity from prosecution are the very *pimps* who will get busted under C36 as law.
Fact is these people claiming immunity from prosecution are the very *pimps* who will get busted under C36 as law.
What a jackass comment. I was a sex worker for 8yrs myself. Don't you dare tell me what I have or have not been thru. Again, know who & what you are talking about before making yourself look foolish. I've never had a fucking rash from massage oils, to belittle the massage industry shows your true colors! I find it funny that you just spout off things, have no baring or idea who you are speaking to or about, and to a woman no doubt! Such ignorance.
I'm most certainly not saying things are just peachy. Just look at the activism many of us have gotten into. Even quoted in the Senate! For sex workers, especially the most vulnerable, there is real-life danger!!
Nothing & no one can claim status-quo. Anyone saying that is full of shit & didn't do their homework.
I have spent many many hours meeting with everyone I can. All levels of law enforcement, politicians, the mayor-elect, etc etc. Fyi, Alan Young is the lawyer who won the bedford case in the scc. You don't know who he is, yet you are spouting out orders???? Oh boy!
Wow a lot of beef between massage parlours and escort agencies...who would have known. I'd say there are many girls in both massage and escort agencies that don't make money. This business is a meritocracy where only the best really do make money on a consistent basis. I would be curious though whether a high end escort agency makes more money than a high end massage parlour.
Whether or not the new law is unconstitional or enforceable or favours mp's or agency's means absolutely nothing to me and I imagine, to most clients. The very first high-profile bust is gonna be a national news item and I don't want to be anywhere near the sex industry when it happens. All LE needs is one high-profile bust to send a chill through the industry and curb demand, which is what most housewives who vote want.
