What are the short-term consequences of C-36?

[krazyplayer]

MPA,
Government can and does direct policing through LAWS & often through funding specific operations like northern spotlight.
C36 is NOT about trafficking! It's about making the purchase of ADULT sexual services illegal and the provision of such services by a commercial enterprise (group/business) illegal.
By-laws are irrelevant to enforcing the Canadian criminal code.

 

[MIRAGE]

I wonder if MPAsquared can elaborate on the 8th point.

Nah, i think that its MPAsquared that has an issue with hotels and condos, cause the escort industry has kicked the living snot out of massage parlours over the years. Cops have visited every incall in the city at one time or another on bogus tips of underaged girls etc. by certain people, *cough cough*............and they visited when operating a common bawdy house was illegal, and living off the avails was illegal or being found in a common bawdy house was illegal. They made sure the girls were of age, AND SAFE..............then said goodbye.................as they will continue to do after Dec 6. Just my 3 cents.


God Bless..............Andy

 

[Celticman]

Nah, i think that its MPAsquared that has an issue with hotels and condos, cause the escort industry has kicked the living snot out of massage parlours over the years. Cops have visited every incall in the city at one time or another on bogus tips of underaged girls etc. by certain people, cough cough............and they visited when operating a common bawdy house was illegal, and living off the avails was illegal. They made sure the girls were of age, AND SAFE..............then said goodbye. Just my 3 cents.


God Bless..............Andy

If we have to live in real C-36 fear of condos and hotels that would almost be the end of escorting. Sure. I am going to take a pragmatic and careful wait and see attitude about the new landscape but I intend to get laid. Somewhere. By someone.

 

[MIRAGE]

If we have to live in real C-36 fear of condos and hotels that would almost be the end of escorting. Sure. I am going to take a pragmatic and careful wait and see attitude about the new landscape but I intend to get laid. Somewhere. By someone.

Cops have better things to do than park in front of hotels, condos or massage parlours busting a guy who wants to get laid. They will however, go after human trafficing, underaged girls, and exploitation as hard as ever. which in my opinion, they should. in the good old U S of A, it is much more illegal on all angles than here, and agencies and escorting are as busy than ever. We had a very long and interesting discussion with Allan Young just recently. The sky is not falling lads. There is a plethora of legal ways around that insane law. Needless to say the first guy arrested can claim entrapment and will get thrown out on the spot. He is purchasing a service that is legal to advertise and sell. Happy hobbying.

God Bless..............Andy

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

Cops have better things to do than park in front of hotels, condos or massage parlours busting a guy who wants to get laid. They will however, go after human trafficing, underaged girls, and exploitation as hard as ever. which in my opinion, they should. in the good old U S of A, it is much more illegal on all angles than here, and agencies and escorting are as busy than ever. We had a very long and interesting discussion with Allan Young just recently. The sky is not falling lads. There is a plethora of legal ways around that insane law.

God Bless..............Andy

EXACTLY ..... well said .... as was your other posting about massage spas & how they failed in putting heat on incalls. What are they gunna accomplish anyway ..... there is estimated to be over 200+ incall places around the G.T.A.

 

[D-Fens]

EXACTLY ..... well said .... as was your other posting about massage spas & how they failed in putting heat on incalls. What are they gunna accomplish anyway ..... there is estimated to be over 200+ incall places around the G.T.A.

not to mention something like 2000 massage parlours. These places would crop up faster then LE could shut them down. LE can't just raid any place they want, it takes weeks of investigations and warrants to be able to raid a place.

 

[waba]

I think more people will be getting blue balls!

And treating their wives better as that is only way to have safe sex.

 

[MattRoxx]

The short term consequence for me is that I've been waiting until after Dec 6 for my next booking.
I'll let the government control my penis - when they pry it out of my cold dead hands.

 

[mandrill]

Hi Everyone,

I dont often hit the lounge but wanted to weight in on this. I am a lawyer and the biggest issue that I see for those that hobby with reputable in call/out call establishments is there private information. This has always been a concern of mine but this is escalated with the new potential changes. In particular, agencies and SPs receive clients cell phone numbers and many keep them for frequent user awards etc. The issue is if there was a search warrant, the phone records could end up as public information (even if charges are never laid against the client). I think the most important thing that everyone could do is encourage indys and agencies to take steps to ensure those records are never kept at the appointment is complete and to ditch things like frequent user records. My concern is that this may not happen because indys and agencies will want to keep them as they feel more comfortable providing services to existing customers.

I dont anticipate that this legislation will survive SCC challenge but my theory is the government doesnt care. They want to show their supporters they are doing something and so they will allow years to go by before it moves up the Court system and will not refer it to the SCC.

I have spoken privately to agencies and they have assured me that they will delete these records at the end of each week or sooner.

In any event, I intend to buy a pay-as-you-go hobbying cell in the next week to cover my ass. And I always use a fake name when I book.

And as well, while it may seem elementary deduction that a guy pays a large-ish sum of $$ to have sex with an attractive younger woman, it doesn't play out that way in criminal court where the Crown has to prove each element of the offence beyond a reasonable doubt. It's pretty difficult to prove that sex took place just from phone records. After all, the celebrated 19th Century British prime minister Gladstone used to book street girls several times a week and would just read the Bible to them and attempt to reform them morally - or so he claimed. Since he was the most powerful man in England, no one ever argued with him.

 

[MPAsquared]

MPA,
Government can and does direct policing through LAWS & often through funding specific operations like northern spotlight.
C36 is NOT about trafficking! It's about making the purchase of ADULT sexual services illegal and the provision of such services by a commercial enterprise (group/business) illegal.
By-laws are irrelevant to enforcing the Canadian criminal code.

I know that. I'm just stating what info I have gathered from authorities.

Nah, i think that its MPAsquared that has an issue with hotels and condos, cause the escort industry has kicked the living snot out of massage parlours over the years. Cops have visited every incall in the city at one time or another on bogus tips of underaged girls etc. by certain people, *cough cough*............and they visited when operating a common bawdy house was illegal, and living off the avails was illegal or being found in a common bawdy house was illegal. They made sure the girls were of age, AND SAFE..............then said goodbye.................as they will continue to do after Dec 6. Just my 3 cents.


God Bless..............Andy

Lmfao! Andy I don't know you from a hole in the ground. Incalls haven't affected muse or any leading brp. I find it hilarious that you'd think the fs incall-outcall industry would have any affect in a non-fs bodyrub. That's funny you want to start some conspiracy theory. Laughable. Classless. And not a viable answer to my Intel. From hours of meetings. Regarding Toronto/North York (aka the area of my interest). Jesus people, get perspective.

I suggest you speak with sex crimes, morality, and bylaw regarding their focus. I said trafficking and hotels/condos. Unless you traffic people, how the fuck does that affect you?? Lol! Get real bud.

Behave like a grown up, do your research, and learn about people you want to accuse of unfounded bullshit.

Cops have better things to do than park in front of hotels, condos or massage parlours busting a guy who wants to get laid. They will however, go after human trafficing, underaged girls, and exploitation as hard as ever. which in my opinion, they should. in the good old U S of A, it is much more illegal on all angles than here, and agencies and escorting are as busy than ever. We had a very long and interesting discussion with Allan Young just recently. The sky is not falling lads. There is a plethora of legal ways around that insane law. Needless to say the first guy arrested can claim entrapment and will get thrown out on the spot. He is purchasing a service that is legal to advertise and sell. Happy hobbying.

God Bless..............Andy

Which is exactly what I said. Sheesh.

You aren't the only one with Mr Young on retainer

EXACTLY ..... well said .... as was your other posting about massage spas & how they failed in putting heat on incalls. What are they gunna accomplish anyway ..... there is estimated to be over 200+ incall places around the G.T.A.

Again, read what I wrote. Trafficking. Hotels. Condos.

not to mention something like 2000 massage parlours. These places would crop up faster then LE could shut them down. LE can't just raid any place they want, it takes weeks of investigations and warrants to be able to raid a place.

Not true. Most are holistic licenses. The city made a # of errors when drafting those bylaws, there are numerous loopholes that allow holistic's to operate as bodyrub parlors. It is not easy to shut down a licensed holistic center. Not impossible, but not easy. The city doesn't know how to control the issue. Its been a subject of many many meetings w/MLS.

 

[D-Fens]

The short term consequence for me is that I've been waiting until after Dec 6 for my next booking.
I'll let the government control my penis - when they pry it out of my cold dead hands.

I think it's funny that some people are like "yeah just quit you're breaking the law" and then when you say you are not quitting, you get vilified for it. So what's the alternative then a life of celibacy? all so I can avoid the risk of a $500 fine? I get it for some people even a small risk is not worth it. They have careers, reputations, families, fine. but for some of us. We can't just "quit" I will be taking a break. I need it anyway. My wallet needs time to recover and I should just focus on other things. but am I out for good? Nope.

 

[Barca]

Any idea if the threat of this law has scared off the girls of the "Jarvis Stroll"? I've driven by a couple of weekends now and it's deader than a strip club on a Sunday afternoon!

 

[fuji]

Cops have better things to do than park in front of hotels, condos or massage parlours busting a guy who wants to get laid.

Depends on who is making the local police policy. York Regional Police have sometimes believed they had nothing better to do than busting guys who want to get laid.

Enforcement varies in the US as well. San Francisco and Santa Clara have the same California criminal code but VERY different levels of enforcement. We can expect that to be true in Canada as well.

Net result in the US is about 80,000 arrests a year for prostitution, since the US is ten times or size we may see anywhere from 4000 to 8000 arrests a year, Canada wide, with some jurisdictions arresting a lot, and others only a few.

 

[fuji]

not to mention something like 2000 massage parlours. These places would crop up faster then LE could shut them down. LE can't just raid any place they want, it takes weeks of investigations and warrants to be able to raid a place.

That is naive. The police don't catch every single speeder either, they just catch enough that everybody else keeps it within reason. A fairly small amount of police enforcement has a fairly large effect on public behavior.

IF the police start busting a certain type of business they will NOT keep cropping up. People do not line up to be arrested, they change behavior to avoid arrest, even if statistically only a few are actually getting arrested.

In jurisdictions where prostitution is aggressively enforced establishments go underground, stop advertising, etc., they do not just carry on openly hoping they win the dice roll.

 

[MattRoxx]

Can someone post a link to fuji's most recent SP review? I'm having trouble finding it. Thanks.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

I have only read about & heard about focus on specific problems regarding Street activity , under age , forced & Trafficing ....NEVER anyone say focus on Hotels & Condos. NEVER, not even in any Newspaper article or item on Google News. How convenient for Spas ...... Cops focusing on Condos & Hotels LOL

 

[MPAsquared]

I have only read about & heard about focus on specific problems regarding Street activity , under age , forced & Trafficing ....NEVER anyone say focus on Hotels & Condos. NEVER, not even in any Newspaper article or item on Google News. How convenient for Spas ...... Cops focusing on Condos & Hotels LOL

You have trouble with reading comprehension eh. Its not in a fucking newspaper lmfao! Is that what you call "research"?!?! Good lord! Twitter isn't fact dude. Go meet with actual enforcement. And not just some street cop. Go higher up. Spend your time getting information. Go meet with the head of sexcrimes. Or the new trafficking squad. I encourage you to find out every angle. As I have, spending my time, to do my research.

Cops aren't stupid. Pimps have moved on from basement appts & cheap motels. They are following the problems. That is their focus.

 

[nobody123]

I think more people will be getting blue balls!

And treating their wives better as that is only way to have safe sex.

You haven't met all our wives, so I'll excuse the inaccuracies. Still, for the record... about as "safe" as sticking your dick in a blender in some of our cases. Just sayin.

 

[Celticman]

Can someone post a link to fuji's most recent SP review? I'm having trouble finding it. Thanks.

He once told us it was about 51,000 posts ago.

 

[MIRAGE]

Lmfao! Andy I don't know you from a hole in the ground. Incalls haven't affected muse or any leading brp.

lol, i guess what the 15 or so girls that apply here weeky from these leading brp's as you call them must all be mistaken about how busy their spa's are. i apologize if i offended you. And the conspiracy theories and bullshit you are referring to is well known and documented. Unfortunately, i seem to be the only one that has the balls to bring it up. Look, ive had my battles over the years in this industry, ive rescued girls from violent pimps, who threatened me and my family, succeeding in putting some in jail, rescued trafficed girls from other countries that applied to our agency and assisted the police with runaways and underaged girls, helped girls escape and gave free shelter to many that were in abusive relationships. So please dont preach to me about what the police will be looking for. i did my time in the trenches, more so than most. and i wont even mention how many i helped get out of the industry and into mainstream jobs. So ya, you might not know me from a hole in the ground, but this industry does, and so does the police. You take care now.

God Bless.................Andy