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[GPIDEAL]

This woman amazes me . Awarded for her passion, condemned by government. She inspires me. Always follow your heart.

I said before that we need someone like the character played by Al Pacino in Scent Of A Woman where he appears before a pretentious school's tribunal and bangs the table with his cane in making his case on behalf of that student. Seems like Bedford tried to do that at the Senate hearing.

Not sure though if threatening to reveal names was effective in that appearance before the Senate (since she was ejected).

 

[GPIDEAL]

Tons of sex workers in toronto are assaulted daily! Just read a bad date list to see what sex workers deal with as a daily hazard. Just because the current situation means you will have to adjust your hobbying habits for the time being does NOT negate the rape, assault, robbery, pimping, trafficking, & other such daily risks every sex worker takes just by going to work!!

Hopefully, 'tons of sex workers' assaulted daily, is in the minority, otherwise, this government isn't going to back down on what they've done.

 

[squeezer]

They didn't risk anything. Bedford had been busted and was hoping to change the law so she could get back in business. The other two wanted to open brothels. All of the them are in the same position in which they started. It is the actual sex workers who are suffering.

As for the government of the day, Justin Trudeau hasn't said he would have done anything different than Harper. The only party in favour of the New Zealand model is the Green Party and I doubt even Bedford was thinking it would have been in power.

My guess is that the majority of sex workers are cursing Bedford. Her actions have, very predictably, made their lives much worse.

I agree it was a can of worms that never should have been opened but to say Libs or NDP would do the same is misguided. The Libs have had talks about legalizing prostitution in the past. They would not have criminalized or called us perverts. Handing Harpo another majority would be another hit to the sex industry. Porn and Cam sites are on their agenda if they get a second mandate.

 

[MattRoxx]

Section3: "Evidence that a person lives with or is habitually in the company of (a sex worker) is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, proof that the person received a financial or other material benefit from those services."

How can this be a law? If it isn't illegal for the SP to sell her services how can it be illegal to hang out with her?!

Oh my, now I want to see those Swedish women! Uh, I mean those poor oppressed, misguided Swedish women, who need our help in getting out of this business, of course.

Can we sponsor Amanda to make an educational visit to TO to explain the Swedish model?
http://sweden.backpage.com/FemaleEs...e-get-to-know-kiss-call-me-0729340693/2743845

 

[MPAsquared]

They didn't risk anything. Bedford had been busted and was hoping to change the law so she could get back in business. The other two wanted to open brothels. All of the them are in the same position in which they started. It is the actual sex workers who are suffering.

As for the government of the day, Justin Trudeau hasn't said he would have done anything different than Harper. The only party in favour of the New Zealand model is the Green Party and I doubt even Bedford was thinking it would have been in power.

My guess is that the majority of sex workers are cursing Bedford. Her actions have, very predictably, made their lives much worse.

Really? You think having their names & faces becoming the poster for the sex trade isn't risking anything? That's just crazy talk!

Yes, she was arrested. And felt her human rights were violated, so she fought the government & won! Stop confusing harpers bad bill with Bedford's reasons.

Again (3rd time), right now is temporary in the grand scheme of things. The fight isn't over

Hi everyone, I've been silent for a long time, but I will unleash the names of hypocritical politicians, if I am forced to...
I'm a well known, established & successful certified therapist who has never felt degraded or exploited in my adulthood. As a youth, I was, hence the age limit should be increased to 25 in my opinion. I pay taxes, invest, and drive the economy.

Since C-36, countless spas have been ticketed and repeatedly harassed/over-inspected all over the city in an attempt to shut them down. These ladies are mature and unexploited, work together in safety at the spas, are unable to work from home due to family/apartment rules, would prefer not to work alone which would endanger them, and are threatened with eviction due to interruption of income, may be forced to work on the streets, may be triggered to abuse substances after stress from the fear mongering and intimidation by undercover police in their heavy handed raids. Not to mention tying up the courts with minor violations and causing additional financial hardship compounded by legal fees. None of these ladies have been offered any of the $20,000,000 assistance for 're-education' to my knowledge. There were 3 track suicides on the TTC last week. This is a very bad economy and the wrong time for such new laws.

We must all share information so that we can work together to strike down this unconstitutional law....
My bottom line statement: We are not selling anything, we rent our private time and guarantee confidentiality. It is the housewives who sell themselves, sell their independence, sell their autonomy/identity, sell their surname, to one benefactor, half of whom still end up hiring us.

www.IvanaWholeLotta.com

I got this in an email. Seemed odd to me because I haven't noticed any increase in any police activity or tickets (which is bylaw, not cops, therefore unrelated to c36). I found this email spam-ish/shill-y.

Stop putting words in mouth, woman. Of course I want all you girls to be safe. But for now an entire industry has been completely ruined, and for what?? There's no evidence that legalization would make SP's any safer.

Also the main motivation of Bedford (by her own words) wasnt to make the profession safer, she wanted to start a brothel for herself if sex work became legal. So her reasons were selfish in nature


Agreed 100%.

And from what I heard many agency owners are mad as heck

Ok so wanting to run a brothel makes her human rights invalid?!? Not all agency owners have been sex workers, those that haven't shouldn't judge.

 

[GPIDEAL]

everyone keeps comparing c-36 to the nordic model.

so far Toronto backpage hasn't announced any changes

I was curious about Sweden's escorts who advertise on backpage. I noticed also a girl from Hungary visiting Sweden advertising.

Their ads are quite explicit. And it's only $1 to place an ad.

http://sweden.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/

by the way, Toronto BP is more strict on images and words and acronyms etc. vs, Sweden BP and it's $10 an ad in Toronto.

Is BP's server domiciled outside of Canada? Maybe that's why they don't care?

 

[GPIDEAL]

How can this be a law? If it isn't illegal for the SP to sell her services how can it be illegal to hang out with her?!

I think it means that you are automatically deemed to be receiving a material benefit if you ostensibly live with the SP.

The exception to this might be in paragraph (4) for legitimate living arrangements, which means you must PROVE beyond having the same address and your personal effects in her abode, such as joint tenants/owners, marriage license, etc. etc.

(4) Subject to subsection (5), subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to a person who receives the benefit

(a) in the context of a legitimate living arrangement with the person from whose sexual services the benefit is derived;


I admit that it is fucked up language.

 

[AK-47]

Allow me to assure you, the hypocrites and fascists have met their reaper: I have plenty of evidence, a war chest and a superb legal team... Liberty Or Death

You had better have credit card receipts, voice mail messages, personal MP phone numbers, sex videos....etc...etc.
Because nobody is gonna believe your word against theirs

 

[AgentProvocateur]

I do.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I do.

Leave the good politicians alone (if any), lol.

 

[krazyplayer]

AK-47 and Freedom, do you have any clue how much abuse some sex workers endure?
I don't know one indoor girl that hasn't been ripped off or afraid of an obsessed client, but they couldn't report it because they could be charged under the bawdy house provision.
Guys got away with things because they knew the ladies were in no position to report it, but i don't expect selfish guys to ever have asked. You make clients all look bad.
Had this government had any other confuguration besides a con-majority, this would not have been the response to the awesome win those sex workers got at the supreme court.
You 2 might not have minded that their charter right to safety and security was breached, but most of us did.

 

[MPAsquared]

AK-47 and Freedom, do you have any clue how much abuse some sex workers endure?
I don't know one indoor girl that hasn't been ripped off or afraid of an obsessed client, but they couldn't report it because they could be charged under the bawdy house provision.
Guys got away with things because they knew the ladies were in no position to report it, but i don't expect selfish guys to ever have asked. You make clients all look bad.
Had this government had any other confuguration besides a con-majority, this would not have been the response to the awesome win those sex workers got at the supreme court.
You 2 might not have minded that their charter right to safety and security was breached, but most of us did.

This!!! This!!!! This!!! ^^^

Thank you kp!!!!

 

[freedom3]

AK-47 and Freedom, do you have any clue how much abuse some sex workers endure?
I don't know one indoor girl that hasn't been ripped off or afraid of an obsessed client, but they couldn't report it because they could be charged under the bawdy house provision.
Guys got away with things because they knew the ladies were in no position to report it, but i don't expect selfish guys to ever have asked. You make clients all look bad.
Had this government had any other confuguration besides a con-majority, this would not have been the response to the awesome win those sex workers got at the supreme court.
You 2 might not have minded that their charter right to safety and security was breached, but most of us did.

Reality: The New Zealand model is the best set of laws for prostitutes.

Reality: The Liberals have not said they support the New Zealand model. (Feel free to email Justin Trudeau or any Liberal MP to confirm this.)

Reality: Bill C-36 has made things worse for escorts.

Reality: Further court challenges will strike down Bill C-36 but then parliament would react by making prostitution completely illegal, which would be even worse than Bill C-36.

Fantasy: Your post above.

 

[MPAsquared]

Reality: The New Zealand model is the best set of laws for prostitutes.

Reality: The Liberals have not said they support the New Zealand model. (Feel free to email Justin Trudeau or any Liberal MP to confirm this.)

Reality: Bill C-36 has made things worse for escorts.

Reality: Further court challenges will strike down Bill C-36 but then parliament would react by making prostitution completely illegal, which would be even worse than Bill C-36.

Fantasy: Your post above.

Liberals aren't the only party.

You don't know what would happen after another SCC strike down.

Illegal is better than asymmetrical.

The industry isn't made up of escorts alone.

 

[AK-47]

AK-47 and Freedom, do you have any clue how much abuse some sex workers endure?

No, I dont. And I certainly dont condone behaviour like that

I don't know one indoor girl that hasn't been ripped off or afraid of an obsessed client, but they couldn't report it because they could be charged under the bawdy house provision

And how exactly would that change under C36??

Guys got away with things because they knew the ladies were in no position to report it, but i don't expect selfish guys to ever have asked. You make clients all look bad

Read the part where I said I dont condone behaviour like that

Had this government had any other confuguration besides a con-majority, this would not have been the response to the awesome win those sex workers got at the supreme court.
You 2 might not have minded that their charter right to safety and security was breached, but most of us did

Please stop trying to read my mind. You're doing a horrible job of it

 

[GPIDEAL]

AK-47 and Freedom, do you have any clue how much abuse some sex workers endure?
I don't know one indoor girl that hasn't been ripped off or afraid of an obsessed client, but they couldn't report it because they could be charged under the bawdy house provision.
Guys got away with things because they knew the ladies were in no position to report it, but i don't expect selfish guys to ever have asked. You make clients all look bad.
Had this government had any other confuguration besides a con-majority, this would not have been the response to the awesome win those sex workers got at the supreme court.
You 2 might not have minded that their charter right to safety and security was breached, but most of us did.

Good points!!!

 

[GPIDEAL]

And how exactly would that change under C36??

Your response above was in respect of previous law against bawdy houses, but I don't see anything in C-36 that would suggest that an SP would be refrained from working indoors, not even under the commercial enterprise exception, because of the immunity for an SP that sells their own sexual services (I'm speaking about indies).

 

[AK-47]

Maybe we can circumvent C36 by using bitcoins....LOL.

Its technically not recognized as legit currency

 

[freedom3]

Your response above was in respect of previous law against bawdy houses, but I don't see anything in C-36 that would suggest that an SP would be refrained from working indoors, not even under the commercial enterprise exception, because of the immunity for an SP that sells their own sexual services (I'm speaking about indies).

And what about the police car parked outside her apartment arresting customers? Do you think that refrains her from working indoors?

 

[freedom3]

Liberals aren't the only party.

You don't know what would happen after another SCC strike down.

Illegal is better than asymmetrical.

The industry isn't made up of escorts alone.

This country is either run by Liberals or Conservatives, and neither are in favour of legalization. The federal NDP will be virtually eliminated in the next election. I will vote Green, but I don't think they stand a chance.

I would rather have escorts legal and me illegal than both escorts and me illegal. To think otherwise would be spiteful.