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[GPIDEAL]

Maybe we can circumvent C36 by using bitcoins....LOL.

Its technically not recognized as legit currency

'Consideration' does not have be legal tender.

 

[GPIDEAL]

And what about the police car parked outside her apartment arresting customers? Do you think that refrains her from working indoors?

Unless she puts a sign on her detached home that says, The Happy Hooker, your scenario is highly unlikely.

But you have perhaps underscored what the new law implies for sex workers - to operate discreetly, including advertising.

My point is that there's no offence for her working indoors at one location like their used to be under the old law.

 

[freedom3]

In the event that she puts a sign on her detached home that says, The Happy Hooker, your scenario is highly unlikely.

But you have perhaps underscored what the new law implies for sex workers - to operate discreetly, including advertising.

My point is that there's no offence for her working indoors at one location like their used to be under the old law.

I know, but that doesn't help the escort when the police are parked outside. There is a video of this situation in Sweden.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I know, but that doesn't help the escort when the police are parked outside. There is a video of this situation in Sweden.

Or a massage parlor too my friend.

I think though that it's not going to be the end of the world. There's no way Bill C-36 can practically be enforced for wide application.

 

[MPAsquared]

Lies, Damned Lies, and Abolitionists

2014.11.19 • Jillian Hollander

http://www.cupidsescorts.ca/blog/lies-damned-lies-abolitionists/

I want to hug Alexandra Kimball. Maybe kiss her if she’d let me.

She wrote the article Dirty Tricks in the December issue of The Walrus. It’s not quite a full-blown exposé of the lies spread by the anti-sex work industry, but it’s demonstrated them to be more deceitful than anything else I’ve read yet in a mainstream Canadian publication.

It packs a lot into its short space, including how NGOs view all sex work as human trafficking, and how inflated statistics (some of which that have been disregarded as false by the groups who organized them) are perpetuated still today and were used to inform the writing of Bill C-36.

The article is framed around the story of Naomi Sayers, whom you’ve read about here before. She is one of the coauthors of the template letter you should send to your Premier if you haven’t already. Naomi willingly chose to be a sex worker. It was her choice and her own free will, and she’s participated in rallies against criminalization of her chosen career, she is a hero within many of us within the community and someone I admire greatly. However, she’s committed the cardinal sin amongst those who would “rescue” her from this: she refuses to call herself a sex trafficking victim.

I’ve seen the anger and vilification thrown at sex workers who refuse to be called victims. I try to avoid it – I have a still-legal business to run and I don’t need the distractions – but stepping onto Twitter you can’t ignore it. The most disgusting, dehumanizing and sexist language I’ve been subject to has not come from clients; it’s come from self-described “rescuers”, some who falsely describe themselves as feminists, who would rather see me, my friends and colleagues poor, broken, homeless or even dead than an independent, sexually-liberated woman.

Why do “rescuers” want to see us poor, broken, homeless or even dead? Because then we become their propaganda tool. The deader the better to them. As Kimball’s article says, when Naomi’s friend Alex died by suicide, her death was exploited by an anti-sex work organization as a woeful tale of humantrafficking. Naomi was more polite than I would have been: “Please do not use my best friend’s suicide/death as a pawn to your political game,” she replied.
Naomi was attacked for that. All of them strangers to her, all of them strangers to Alex, but all of them certain Alex was a victim of human trafficking. None of them had proof, but all of them had a fact-free conviction and used that to attack Naomi.

The anti-sex work lobby is not one based in facts and reality, and Kimball’s article does a good job in a short space of taking it down.

She is one of my fav writers! We are currently working on a c-36 project.

 

[MIRAGE]

https://www.straight.com/news/77740...law-wont-change-policing-priorities-vancouver

Canada's new prostitution law won’t change policing priorities in Vancouver

FOR THE FIRST time in Canada’s history, buying sex will be a criminal offence starting December 6 this year.

That’s when the country’s new prostitution law comes into effect, following the passage of legislation introduced by the federal Conservative government.

But as far as the Vancouver Police Department is concerned, there’s not a whole lot that’s going to change in the way it deals with the sale and purchase of sexual services in the city.

“Our officers will still be guided by the principles and policies and procedures outlined in the sex-work-enforcement guidelines that we have,” Const. Brian Montague told the Straight in a phone interview.

The VPD spokesperson was referring to a set of directives adopted by the police force in January 2013 that states: “Sex work involving consenting adults is not an enforcement priority for the VPD.”

When asked if Vancouver police will be mounting sting operations against buyers of sex, Montague responded: “If you read our policy…I think the best way to put it is enforcement is a last resort for us.”

Montague also noted that the VPD has the same approach toward marijuana laws: the VPD does not place a high investigative and enforcement priority on possession of cannabis as a singular offence.

“We want to make sure that other options are explored, and I think the best way to describe it is the fact that our officers have a great deal of discretion when dealing with a variety of circumstances, whether it’s prostitution laws or drug laws,” Montague said. “Enforcement isn’t necessarily always the most appropriate option.”

However, Montague pointed out that as provided for in the VPD’s guidelines, high priority for intervention are cases involving violence against sex workers, minors, human trafficking, and connection with criminal gangs. Montague said: “At any time that we’re looking at crimes where children are involved, where people are being exploited, obviously…enforcement might be appropriate in those circumstances.”
https://www.straight.com/news/77740...law-wont-change-policing-priorities-vancouver

This article is pretty much in line with every law enforcement official my lawyers and i have spoken to here in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Their priority is how the girls are treated. Not guys blue balls lol


Andy

 

[goleafsgo_chris]

This article is pretty much in line with every law enforcement official my lawyers and i have spoken to here in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Their priority is how the girls are treated. Not guys blue balls lol


Andy

This is actually great to hear. I was thinking today how much I would miss the hobby if toronto cops started enforcing it. It would be great to hear some sort of confirmation on this from them to relieve the pressure (if not Ill go through the current plan of taking a break/seeing how it plays out)

 

[MIRAGE]

This is actually great to hear. I was thinking today how much I would miss the hobby if toronto cops started enforcing it. It would be great to hear some sort of confirmation on this from them to relieve the pressure (if not Ill go through the current plan of taking a break/seeing how it plays out)

Brother, dont take my word on it. lol. I own a few fucking agencies. lol. Just throwing out there what i have been hearing. My opinion is that Toronto will follow the leads of Vancouver, Montreal and ottawa ............best advice, do ur own research or lay low for a bit depending upon your risk tolerance levels and/or personal situation. Me ? well according to them i am facing 10 years hard time for providing a safe working environment for girls that want to work. Not that what i have been doing was ever legal until the Supreme Court said we that we served a purpose in the safety of working girls, but............. Damn, some of the pimps that i helped put in jail got less time than that for beating, raping and exploiting their girls. ironic. This government is so fucked up.

Andy

 

[squeezer]

This government is so fucked up.

Andy

2015 Federal election is around the corner Andy, just ensure all the ladies , drivers,bookers vote against the Reform party. Hey, how about a 20% discount for anyone who votes anyone but Reform!

 

[MIRAGE]

2015 Federal election is around the corner Andy, just ensure all the ladies , drivers,bookers vote against the Reform party. Hey, how about a 20% discount for anyone who votes anyone but Reform!

these idiots underestimate how big this industry is from top to bottom, Agencies, Spas, strip clubs, indies, drivers blah blah. Needless to say the amount of " perverts" that frequent this industry. No Mr MacKay, they are not "perverts", they are "voters", and so is everyone else involved in this industry.


Andy

 

[MIRAGE]

Not sure. Lap dance becomes illegal under C36 too though I hear municipalities have their own jurisdiction when it comes to SCs. Mind you when I asked a strip bar owner about this he said that his club is empty because people prefer to go to what he called brothels. We both think in 2015 there will be better days ahead for strip bars as they remain the only place people can watch and socialize with nude females, legally. I think that many escorts and masseuses may switch to SCs as nude dancers too as their business dry up, especially the new ones.

Highly unlikely. Unless L E targets Agencies and SPAs which from everything ive read, and people ive spoken to said, aint happening. Im not into doom and gloom the world is gonna stop spinning speculation. Just facts. Im facing 10 years, not a small fine for banging a hot girl. So facts to me are a little more important. Most of the fear mongering and crap on this board are from guys that dont even hobby. I dont understand why they are even here.


Andy

 

[MIRAGE]

I can't understand why LE has to target anything for my scenario to happen with strip bars. Which part of what I anticipated will not happen?

1 - Many hobbyists would quit (some would quit in short term and will return to hobby if no place is raided next 6 months and no arrests made but some would quit just because they don't wish to participate in an illegal act EVEN if the risk is minimum. Either they stay home and watch TV weekends or like I did they go to strip bars and have fun with nude girls they can choose in flesh at strip bars so more crowd.

2 - Even without any raids and arrest some new escorts who used to start with backpages will not make any money so the only money making alternative in sex industry for them is strip bars and would switch to these places so more dancers and more patrons and more parties. Strip bars have been really bad past few years. Time for change.

Your much too pessimistic and arent in touch with this industry as much as you think. The majority of our clients, the VAST majority, want one one one discrete PRIVATE interaction. They dont want to be seen in strip clubs or in public. They sneak away from the office for lunch, or pop in on the way home. Fuck, i had difficulty cross promoting the SPA to escort guys, and escorts to SPA guys. its really different


Andy

 

[D-Fens]

This article is pretty much in line with every law enforcement official my lawyers and i have spoken to here in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Their priority is how the girls are treated. Not guys blue balls lol


Andy

I'd hate to be a hobbyist in Calgary or Winnipeg though. In Calgary they got Rick Hanson the bible thumper who loves the new law and Manitoba isn't that where they want to put all those reprogramming camps?

 

[MIRAGE]

refer to the poll on terb. I think 40% or so voted they would quit. I remember strip bars before the time of internet and backpages. It was real fun. Full of people and party even daytime. Same people who you say would shy away from SCs were there before advertising and seeing escorts became so easy and accessible. I thought I was optimistic lol as I predicted much better days for strip bars!!!

i hardly consider a poll on terb to be scientific or accurate lmao, considering the majority on here dont even fucking hobby lol, they are proven trolls lol. or have a dozen different handles. and who ever told you that all SPA and agency guys are terb guys lol, many dont even read reviews or arent members. They find us through other advertising vehicles and word of mouth. Needless to say the American review boards which most of our out of town outcall guys rely on.

Andy

 

[D-Fens]

Most of the fear mongering and crap on this board are from guys that dont even hobby. I dont understand why they are even here.

Guys like...Capital Hunter?

 

[MIRAGE]

Remember being in a bawdy house is no longer illegal (another good thing about C36).

Exactly, i love that part. the girls that hired me for security are freaking amazing private lingerie models and private dancers. Ya see lol
There are so many grey areas in this law that the fucking government doesnt even know how to fix it. They just rammed it down everyones throat with little to no thought of challenges, and the ruling by the supreme court of the land. Not to mention the Charter.

Andy

 

[MIRAGE]

Hobbying consists of seeing escorts, Masseuses as well as nude dancers at strip bars or outside when it was legal. Only an idiot would exclude strip bars and nude dancers as not a hobby so I am not surprise by the post by D-Fens.

Hobbying also consists of basket weaving and building little wooden bird houses. Its what some of the trolls on here should take up,


Andy

 

[MIRAGE]

Yes I can see why some of the things so called trolls are saying may not be to your liking as per your vested interest in escort industry and the more realistic predictions about the affects of C36 by very few individuals. The fact remains what we say does not matter. What will happen (and NOBODY KNOWS) is what that matters. On the latter part lol you are preaching to a long time preacher.

Vested interest ? i an facing 10 years. Confident enough for ya ? how about you ? lol


Andy

 

[D-Fens]

Hobbying also consists of basket weaving and building little wooden bird houses. Its what some of the trolls on here should take up,


Andy

Trolls like Capital Hunter. I don't know why anyone would read his ramblings. He's as bad as Fuji. Apparently he knows more then everyone else, despite the fact that he's not involved in the bussiness in anyway. Despite the fact that he's not a police officer, or a lawyer, and has no idea how these laws will be enforced or if they even will be enforced despite the fact that he probably hasn't even spoken to any police officers or lawyers regarding this new law and all he has to support his claims is his imagination.

Yet apparently he knows everything. His word is gospel. The sky is falling The Police will be out with helicopters, they will come raiding every incall in the city. They will arrest every person who has paid for sexual services in the past. They will build time machines to go back in time and get proof Joe Nobody had sex with an sp in 1993 Come December 6th it will be armageddon. Screw solving murders and all other crime. The Toronto Police want to make sure everyone only has sex in marriage.

 

[MPAsquared]

I recall that strip club owners invited to the parliament supported this bill because massage parlours steal their clients who prefer happy ending or even better full service rather than just lap dance

Incorrect. The AEA presented at the HoC & their angle was "we want brothel licenses".

To a room 3/4 full of folks that want to "abolish" prostitution.

Priceless.