Racism from Providers

[evodevo]

Isn't this a dead horse topic?

I don't think it's racism per se, maybe it can be construed as such, but basically - it has to do with varying factors based on past experience. I'm sure people would like to think it's related to penis size but that's not it, although it probably is for a minority of providers.

From what I've learned from Terb, it's basically several things - the whole black pimp thing, black bf so no black clients, and lastly is crime.

Keep in mind the whole 'no black men' is equally spread across every race - including black SPs.

I once tried to order a pizza from Pizza Pizza to a shady neighbourhood where it was basically government housing and it was past 9pm and they told me they don't deliver to that neighbourhood after 9...are they discriminating? Sure - but they've delivered Pizzas before and not been paid before or robbed...is what they said.

 

[IM469]

Where's the rest of the story? Did they go forward with the session? Did he get more mileage because he was her dad?

Since this version of the urban legend has him seeing her pics before he booked -

1) it was an ambush with the father dragging the girl from the spa while the girls in the hallway said hello to their favorite customer.

2) the long deserted biological father found out during genetic testing in a resulting paternity suit.

3) it came up when the father was wondering why the girl tasted so similar to his wife

4) ....???

 

[SkyRider]

This subject comes up as often as the "How much should I tip the dancer/MPA, SP, phonegirl/receptionist/driver/doorman" threads.

 

[explorerzip]

You mean the slow white genocide being actively cheered on by the liberals and their propaganda machine?

Yes, it is a conspiracy by the Illuminati to eliminate the white race! :frusty:

You know that people have been inter-marrying or just inter-coupling for a very long time right? You also know that there isn't really such a thing as a "white" race. Even "whites" are a mix of different groups.

 

[explorerzip]

I know that white men go over to the Asian woman a lot these days (I still don't understand why tbh) and if the European peoples are bound for extinction they are just as much to blame if not more so than the white woman.

If anything the black male and white female relationship is glamorized all over the media nowadays, making it the cool thing to do. In reality, I know of quite a few white women who when they were young fell for the media trap, and now are single mothers with biracial kids. With their looks starting to fade, they try to go back to white men, but white men don't want them anymore, so it is very likely they will grow old alone, impoverished, while trying to support a child solo.

This is the kind of stuff black men are condemned for, and rightly so, that and pimping. They also try to make both acts of impregnating then ditching, and pimping cool through their music. "Baby's mama's" and whatnot.

On the other hand, I don't know of any Asian women impregnated then ditched by her white boyfriend. There may be some cases, but it's not an epidemic.

So you're using just your casual observations of an very small group to make a conclusion about a whole race of people?

 

[Smash]

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: x20

 

[Ridgeman08]

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: x20

I almost used the horse flogging smiley in my first post in this thread, but it was an SP that started it this time, leaving me to wonder why...

 

[trod]

It's NOT racism...

It's simply personal preference. Nothing more.

/end thread and put this non issue to bed forever.

+1.

To the SPs:

I highly respect your profession and your honesty about your preferences is always welcomed and appreciated, even if it means I may not be able to have a session with you. I consider that the best outcome since if either you or myself are not comfortable in each other's company, what is the point of the session then. Don't let any haters or trolls try to coerce you into a session if you don't want to. Know your boundaries and more importantly, let other people know of them!

To the fellow Johns:

Don't take SPs preferences personally. They are normal people like us. Learn to move on and seek a different SP if you don't meet a criteria. There are plenty of beautiful ladies in the GTA and beyond to serve what you are looking for. I am sure you have preferences in what type of SPs in terms of age, ethnicity, body stats, etc that you want to see. In the same way, SPs will also have their personal likes and dislikes in what type of men they want to see. Just relax and take your business elsewhere. Don't be so Ghomeshi about it.

 

[Born2Star]

Didn't have a lot of experience but when I intro myself to SP in email I always mention my ethnicity.

I also told them I have a pretty small dick.

I was never declined.

 

[wyngarde]

I was once declined by an Asian female provider for having too large a dick.

I thought of alerting the local authorities and political-correctness-gestapo of a case of asian female racism against straight white men of the large penial variety, but I was worried the PC-gestapo wouldn't side with me.

Since then I've converted to Islam and embraced my emotional identity as a butch lesbian trapped in a man's body. Now my political correctness complaints have become very well received, and I can report anyone I like for Islamophobia or discrimination against my complex gender identity.

That's how I learned to stop worrying and love Political Correctness and Anti-Racism.

 

[Gingerbeard]

It's not racism. Not everything in this world is fucking racism.

Completely agree.

 

[Celticman]

The side of the debate that feels that it is racism on the part of women (that they have never met) can be boiled down to two simple issues. 1. Regardless of any other reason advanced, they are convinced in advance that it is racism. 2. Regardless of the woman's feelings she should and must share her body in this most intimate and personal of acts with someone that she would prefer to avoid. As if this equates to schlepping coffee at Tims.

 

[Hard Idle]

:deadhorse: :deadhorse: x20

Definitely. But the thread starter is a relatively recent member who wasn't around the last bunch of times this topic was discussed to death. Newcomers not searching previous discussions before starting a topic is pretty routine.

I am pleasantly surprised that newer members have a healthier view on this subject and that overall opinion has evolved for the better. Anybody should be able to refuse work they are uncomfortable with, let alone a service as intimate & personal as what SP's do.


Furthermore, while it's nice to be able to articulate the reasons for exclusions & preferences, ultimately it just doesn't matter. In such a highly personal & intimate matter, a gut feeling of discomfort is reason enough, it doesn't have to make sense to anyone other than the person who's body is in question.

It's a good thing SP's do this imo.
I am not Caucasian and have been denied a few times, I prefer this as I know it would not be good service anyways and it's just her preference so its up to her.
I'd rather be with a provider who is good with seeing me

Exactly. At the end of the day, the basic outcome is that the prospective customer is saving some money that would have been wasted on a lousy session - unless they're the type who derive their pleasure as much form causing discomfort as from the service itself, in which case who the hell cares, those are exactly the kind of people who cast a poison shadow over all of us.

 

[Ridgeman08]

I am pleasantly surprised that newer members have a healthier view on this subject and that overall opinion has evolved for the better. Anybody should be able to refuse work they are uncomfortable with, let alone a service as intimate & personal as what SP's do.

Likely because many new members are resurrected (returning) old members (but can't use their previous handle due to some sort of issue...) who are somewhat in the know. :wink:

 

[buttercup]

I have heard from a few lovely gents that they have experienced racism from providers. Some who were asked straight up what race they were and when they answered, they were flat out rejected.. I found this quite shocking..

Also illegal.

In the same way that hobbyists are free to see providers of whatever race or colour we choose, shouldn't said providers have the same freedom of choice?

The fact is that if a provider of services discriminates against potential customers on one of the prohibited grounds (race, religion, etc) the provider comits an lillegal act. If you think providers should be as free to discriminate as customers, you should write to your MP.

I'm not sure how excluding anyone based on race could be construed as anything other than racist?

Not just racist -- also illegal.

I'm confused then. Would not wanting to see, say a BBW (whatever one's definition is) be like not wanting to see someone of a certain race? . . I agree in the notion of choice; I just find it hard to decipher based on certain categories though...

The prohibited categories are set out in Section 3 of the Canadian Human Rights Act -- race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability, or conviction for an offence. Discrimination on any grounds not listed is not prohibited.

Obviously, for example, it is perfectly acceptable for a services provider to discriminate against (potential) customers on the grounds of their ability to pay -- but not on the grounds that people of a certain religion are bad payers. Or, another example, a services provider can discriminate against a customer on the grounds of their having a disease -- but not on the grounds of their being more likely to have a disease because of their race.

It is acceptable for a provider to discriminate against big fat customers - because size is not one of the banned grounds. It is doubly acceptable for a customer to specify a BBW - size and beauty are not listed grounds, and in any case, customers are generally free to discriminate on any grounds.

The anti-discrimination laws only apply to the providers -- not to customers. There is no law that bans customers from discriminating against providers on racial grounds. A white nurse cannot refuse to nurse a black patient -- but a black patient can refuse to be nursed by a white nurse.

This topic has been discussed before. This job is different with other services like being a waitress or a bank teller who service people across the table or counter. If a lady in those jobs refuses services based on race then that is racism however escorting is very intimate service and is different and it is lady's choice who to sleep with and who not to sleep with. Choosing who to have sex with (and who not to) is a human right issue and a female's right and the fact that she is paid does not change that.

There is nothing in the CHRA that recognizes providers of escort services as different from providers of waitress services.

Bill C36 does not address discrimination by prostitutes based on race, creed or colour does it? If a john was refused service, discriminated against while attempting to commit a criminal act, what recourse would they have under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms if any?:frusty:r. Maybe a john should sue the federal government which gives those who practice the tax exempt profession of prostitution the right to practice discrimination against their potential criminal customers.

Again, the discrimination laws only apply to providers -- customers, by contrast, generally are free to discrimintate racially etc against providers.
There is nothing in the CHRA that permits providers to racially discriminate against customers -- even when the customer commits an illegal act.

BTW, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms regulates what the government can/cannot do to us -- not what individuals can/cannot do to each other.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

Most of those ads are posted by SPs that date black guys almost exclusively or are pimped by black guys.

SAD but true. They are into Black guys ..... do themselves up BMD ( Black Man's Dream ) and act Ghetto Rat. The Gorilla Pimp doesn't want another Black Dude getting her to worship his cock & run off!! :Eek:

... AND ...The S.P. VIDEOS they put up on their ads on BACKPAGE ...... Twerking their ass..... playing Gangsta rap music in the background. Totally Hood Rat. Do they really think their clients are into that? Those videos presenting themselves as BMD .... Ya would think they ARE TRYING to attract Black men to call them!!!

 

[Titalian]

The only issue I have with certain escort ads is the infamous " No Blacks Please" Sorry but it always
Makes me wonder if there is someone lurking in the background. Other than that I believe escorts
Should have a choice in who they prefer seeing. On another thread there was the question of age
Is this racism as well???

 

[trod]

There is NO racism in this business, just preferences.

 

[niveamen]

Also illegal.


The fact is that if a provider of services discriminates against potential customers on one of the prohibited grounds (race, religion, etc) the provider comits an lillegal act. If you think providers should be as free to discriminate as customers, you should write to your MP.


Not just racist -- also illegal.



The prohibited categories are set out in Section 3 of the Canadian Human Rights Act -- race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability, or conviction for an offence. Discrimination on any grounds not listed is not prohibited.

Obviously, for example, it is perfectly acceptable for a services provider to discriminate against (potential) customers on the grounds of their ability to pay -- but not on the grounds that people of a certain religion are bad payers. Or, another example, a services provider can discriminate against a customer on the grounds of their having a disease -- but not on the grounds of their being more likely to have a disease because of their race.

It is acceptable for a provider to discriminate against big fat customers - because size is not one of the banned grounds. It is doubly acceptable for a customer to specify a BBW - size and beauty are not listed grounds, and in any case, customers are generally free to discriminate on any grounds.

The anti-discrimination laws only apply to the providers -- not to customers. There is no law that bans customers from discriminating against providers on racial grounds. A white nurse cannot refuse to nurse a black patient -- but a black patient can refuse to be nursed by a white nurse.


There is nothing in the CHRA that recognizes providers of escort services as different from providers of waitress services.



Again, the discrimination laws only apply to providers -- customers, by contrast, generally are free to discrimintate racially etc against providers.
There is nothing in the CHRA that permits providers to racially discriminate against customers -- even when the customer commits an illegal act.

BTW, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms regulates what the government can/cannot do to us -- not what individuals can/cannot do to each other.

HAHAHAHAHA this is the dumbest thing I read on this thread. ILLEGAL?? What part of selling sex for money can be considered not an underground business.. Who would be dumb enough to sue a provider cause they won't have sex with you for money based on race?????

People need to know that prostitution is frowned upon by society, not to mention that a person (male or female) has a right to refuse sex with anyone or it is considered rape; WHICH IS ILLEGAL.

That's why I come to this board to read these funny comments. This is buying sex, not buying a newspaper or eating at a restaurant. Commenters are right in that it's not racism - people can choose who they sleep with. And if it just happens they aren't attracted to a certain color of skin or weight or 6 toes, they have the every right to be.

Sorry, but I didn't mean to make fun of you, but you may have lost all logic.

 

[Frosty]

Buttercup, why don't you hire a lawyer and take it to supreme court? Expose yourself as a client or better yet, expose all those SPs who deny any client of race............. I'm pretty sure it'll go far.