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nobody123

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Do you have reason to (reflexively) assume government conspiracy before ANY of the facts are out?
Are you daft? I am not implying any conspiracy. I am merely stating that the government is using this tragedy to fuel paranoia and xenophobia. Cute that you mention that it is bullshit to be pulling stunts before any facts are out. Especially considering my original point.
 

basketcase

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I'm Canadian, buddy.
I'm pissed off at Harper, not at Syria.
And certainly not pissed off enough to commit a crime over the matter.

Do you support letting the boys in shorts in the PMO decide who gets to be a citizen or gets a passport?
Are you really supporting giving Harper that power?

More info from CBC:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-martin-couture-rouleau-1.2807285
Somehow in his anti-Harper tirade, grog must have forgotten to criticize murder.
 

basketcase

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Whatever.

But tell me why you want to give Harper the power to take away your passport...
Oh, was that before or after Harper bombed Muslims in general? Your statements get more ridiculous.

No wonder you think Canada is undemocratic since your imagination has given Harper the same kind of power as Assad. Wait, that's not right. You have been extremely hesitant to criticize Bashar.
 

basketcase

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Are you daft? I am not implying any conspiracy. I am merely stating that the government is using this tragedy to fuel paranoia and xenophobia. Cute that you mention that it is bullshit to be pulling stunts before any facts are out. Especially considering my original point.
Yes, you have no problem accusing the government of fomenting racism with no evidence while at the same time accusing the government of acting with no evidence. Seems sensible :eyebrows:
 

nobody123

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Yes, you have no problem accusing the government of fomenting racism with no evidence while at the same time accusing the government of acting with no evidence. Seems sensible :eyebrows:
Right. Because question period is invisible, non existent really. There is no evidence at all. Gotcha.
 

SkyRider

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Malala will be made an honorary Canadian citizen later to-day. This will really piss off the extremists and their supporters another reason to hate us.
 

nobody123

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Malala will be made an honorary Canadian citizen later to-day. This will really piss off the extremists and their supporters another reason to hate us.
Cute publicity stunt. And nice to support a human rights activist. Much cheaper and easier than actually doing anything on the human rights front yourself, like, say, offering proper healthcare to refugee claimants. Fucksticks.
 

groggy

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From the post today:

Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one, said Benjamin Franklin.

The day after an attack “clearly linked to terrorist ideology,” in the words of Public Safety minister Steven Blaney, the temptation is to lash out, attempt to pin blame and demand that somebody, somewhere must do something.

I found myself wondering on Twitter why we seize the passports of terror suspects? Why not let would-be martyrs leave Canada and then rescind their passports?
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...healthy-balance-between-security-and-freedom/


All Harper is doing is bringing the ISIS crap to Canada by bombing them and taking away Canadian's freedoms.
 

jcpro

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The right to freely exit and enter Canada is enshrined in the Charter. Denial of passport without charges is very troubling. If the busy bodies followed the law, this unfortunate soldier woul be very much alive, today. The law of unintended consequence strikes again.
 

GameBoy27

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The right to freely exit and enter Canada is enshrined in the Charter. Denial of passport without charges is very troubling. If the busy bodies followed the law, this unfortunate soldier woul be very much alive, today. The law of unintended consequence strikes again.
Okay, have it your way. Give them all their passports back (regardless of what they're up to) and let them freely travel back and forth with the hopes they don't plan a larger terrorist attack. This will make the world a safer place, especially Canada. :rolleyes:
 

spaman

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todays attack at the very symbol that represents our own country is a declaration of war. lets see who has done this before we put forth an opinion.
 

jcpro

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Okay, have it your way. Give them all their passports back (regardless of what they're up to) and let them freely travel back and forth with the hopes they don't plan a larger terrorist attack. This will make the world a safer place, especially Canada. :rolleyes:
actually, this incident happened because authorities had zilch on the murderer. Had he left the country, the victim wold be alive and the government would had a solid case, if he decided to come back. If he even survived the war. However, now a good Canadian is dead, our rights have been diminished and we have nothing to show for it. If the powers that be have a case, then make it. But, don't make bad situation worse by low level harassment.
 

GPIDEAL

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From the post today:



http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...healthy-balance-between-security-and-freedom/


All Harper is doing is bringing the ISIS crap to Canada by bombing them and taking away Canadian's freedoms.


We haven't dropped one bomb on ISIL yet, but I approve of the move to destabilize ISIL by the armed forces of the world's democracies. To me, it's a no brainer. They feel threatened by western values so that they can live like the barbarians that they are, and are terrorizing across the globe.

(BTW, I'd be careful what you say, if it's true that Big Brother will monitor what you write online.)
 

GPIDEAL

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The right to freely exit and enter Canada is enshrined in the Charter. Denial of passport without charges is very troubling. If the busy bodies followed the law, this unfortunate soldier woul be very much alive, today. The law of unintended consequence strikes again.
You may be right, but it might be justifiable in a free and democratic society to limit rights when an individual can pose a threat to national security.

If I was a Canadian who converted to Islam, I'd call the press and hire a lawyer and charge the government with discrimination, if my new found faith was legitimate and non-violent. I wouldn't take out soldiers or cops. The reaction by that 'radical' on Monday is pretty incriminating don't you think? Maybe the government or CSIS' suspicions of this guy were right?
 

groggy

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We haven't dropped one bomb on ISIL yet, but I approve of the move to destabilize ISIL by the armed forces of the world's democracies. To me, it's a no brainer. They feel threatened by western values so that they can live like the barbarians that they are, and are terrorizing across the globe.

(BTW, I'd be careful what you say, if it's true that Big Brother will monitor what you write online.)
Today was supposed to be the start of the ISIS campaign.
Instead we get more attacks on Canadians.

How can this plan to bomb Iraq work out any better then the last two attacks?
 

basketcase

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You may be right, but it might be justifiable in a free and democratic society to limit rights when an individual can pose a threat to national security.

If I was a Canadian who converted to Islam, I'd call the press and hire a lawyer and charge the government with discrimination, if my new found faith was legitimate and non-violent. I wouldn't take out soldiers or cops. The reaction by that 'radical' on Monday is pretty incriminating don't you think? Maybe the government or CSIS' suspicions of this guy were right?
That's the pathetic flaw in people's arguments. Putting a restriction on travel is not an excuse to murder people that had nothing to do with it.
 

jcpro

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You may be right, but it might be justifiable in a free and democratic society to limit rights when an individual can pose a threat to national security.

If I was a Canadian who converted to Islam, I'd call the press and hire a lawyer and charge the government with discrimination, if my new found faith was legitimate and non-violent. I wouldn't take out soldiers or cops. The reaction by that 'radical' on Monday is pretty incriminating don't you think? Maybe the government or CSIS' suspicions of this guy were right?
The question is what constitute a threat? His behavior did not merit detainment. He broke no laws. Look, this is not rocket science. Designate ISIS(or whatever we call it this week) a terror organization and pass a quick law prohibiting Canadians from belonging to such organization, then nail returnees on their way back. Chances are, when facing a dime, they'll elect to stay in the war zone maybe even die there. Win-win, if you ask me. Instead, we're keeping them here, have no means to control them and we abuse our fundamental rights. And for what? What threat does such animal pose to Canada and his fellow citizens in Syria or Iraq? He's just another inexperienced body in a meat grinder, unlikely to survive the conflict.
 
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