Terrorist Act?

[groggy]

CBC is reporting that the driver had his passport suspended by the government before any of this happened and before he committed any crime.

Which raises a few questions we should all be very concerned about.
How much spying is necessary to find that he had 'plans' to go join ISIS or some other organization?
What is the process in which Canadians' passports can be suspended for suspected prospective crimes?

As for the terrorism charge, these were soldiers, not civilians, so technically its not terrorism.
Its fucked up, premeditated murder, but not terrorism.

And finally, is this a crime in which the suspect was mad at Harper's use of the PMO's office to suspend his passport? I hear the new legislation that allows citizenship to be suspended has those decisions going through the PMO's office, correct me if I'm wrong. Does that mean suspension of passports goes through the RCMP and PMO as well?

And really, finally, we here should also be concerned. When C-36 goes through this government, with its already established ability to spy on citizens email, phone and web browsing, that means that should they decide to target someone for some reason we don't know about, reviews and presence on this board could come back to haunt us.

Now that the con's have been caught using the CRA to target environmental groups that disagree with them, and using facebook posts to boot people out of their own campaigns, should they decide to target someone for some other issue they don't agree with (protesting bombing ISIS, protesting C-36, protesting lack of climate change programs, protesting con's silencing of science), should you come under their microscope for any other issue they could also go looking here for other evidence. That's a bit paranoid, but its also not at all unrealistic given Harper's history.

I'm way more worried about what Harper is doing to this country then some wingnut who wants to go leave Canada and die in a fight that has nothing to do with us.
Harper should have just let him go.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Exactly.

Harper wants Canada to go in and bomb Iraq and Muslim's in general and everyone is surprised when some of them get upset.
Canada used to stand for peace, backpacking with a Canadian flag used to get you around the world without people getting mad at you.
Harper killed that.

Yes, Canada stands for peace, and Harper did the right thing to get involved to thwart those against peace. He didn't kill what Canada stands for.

 

[FAST]

Needs help

Are you this incapable of following a discussion? We were not speculating on his motivations. We were outlining (no speculation involved, really) the motivation of the government to fearmonger and rush to judgement before ANY of the facts are out. It's bad enough when the press and the "mob" do it, but to have your own fucking government pull this shit? Beyond the motherfucking pale.

IDIOT,...my post was in response to the other idiot justifying what the Muslim terrorist did,... because pretty much the whole world has had it with this shit,...and are responding in kind,...learn to read and comprehend,...will ya.

The other idiot did exactly speculate why he did what he did.

FAST

 

[GPIDEAL]

CBC is reporting that the driver had his passport suspended by the government before any of this happened and before he committed any crime.

Which raises a few questions we should all be very concerned about.
How much spying is necessary to find that he had 'plans' to go join ISIS or some other organization?
What is the process in which Canadians' passports can be suspended for suspected prospective crimes?

As for the terrorism charge, these were soldiers, not civilians, so technically its not terrorism.
Its fucked up, premeditated murder, but not terrorism.

And finally, is this a crime in which the suspect was mad at Harper's use of the PMO's office to suspend his passport? I hear the new legislation that allows citizenship to be suspended has those decisions going through the PMO's office, correct me if I'm wrong. Does that mean suspension of passports goes through the RCMP and PMO as well?

And really, finally, we here should also be concerned. When C-36 goes through this government, with its already established ability to spy on citizens email, phone and web browsing, that means that should they decide to target someone for some reason we don't know about, reviews and presence on this board could come back to haunt us.

Now that the con's have been caught using the CRA to target environmental groups that disagree with them, and using facebook posts to boot people out of their own campaigns, should they decide to target someone for some other issue they don't agree with (protesting bombing ISIS, protesting C-36, protesting lack of climate change programs, protesting con's silencing of science), should you come under their microscope for any other issue they could also go looking here for other evidence. That's a bit paranoid, but its also not at all unrealistic given Harper's history.

I'm way more worried about what Harper is doing to this country then some wingnut who wants to go leave Canada and die in a fight that has nothing to do with us.
Harper should have just let him go.

It's ironic that the description of the anti-terrorism act and new prostitution laws both use C-36. Add Bill C-24 too.

Terrorist acts are not defined as only against civilians. They can involve violent acts against military non-combatants on neutral or domestic territories.

Yes we should be vigilant against encroachment of civil liberties or individual privacy by Harper, but this recent incident was either a lone nut copycat, or a suspected terrorist. Both are bad and of concern.

 

[groggy]

Yes we should be vigilant against encroachment of civil liberties or individual privacy by Harper, but this recent incident was either a lone nut copycat, or a suspected terrorist. Both are bad and of concern.

Sure, but we'll never know if Marcel was a crazy wacko, someone who was pissed off at Harper bombing ISIS, the RCMP taking his passport or a religious wingnut.
Did Harper's encroachment of civil liberties give buddy his motivation for this horrid crime?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Sure, but we'll never know if Marcel was a crazy wacko, someone who was pissed off at Harper bombing ISIS, the RCMP taking his passport or a religious wingnut.
Did Harper's encroachment of civil liberties give buddy his motivation for this horrid crime?

I've read just the online CTV report that said he had become radicalized. They must have certain info to say that. (I have no problem with giving power to CSIS to track suspected ISIL combatants or trainees.)

If this was a big mistake by the government, he could've contacted the news authorities and appealed as an irate citizen and taxpayer, if not sue the government.

What he did seems too extreme if he was reacting to an encroachment of his civil liberties.

 

[whitewaterguy]

Thankful that A-Mad is dead and out of his misery...that's the only upside to this tragic event

 

[Ceiling Cat]

St Jean sur Richelieu was a hotbed of separatism when the PQ was in power. I think this is a case of rebel without a cause. With separatism fading this guy just needed a cause to rally around. This is an angry act of an individual, not a terrorist act.

 

[nobody123]

The killer was known to the government. You are wrong. I don't see how the murder of a Canadian citizen in the name of Islam is an issue that should result in a divide depending on which side of the political spectrum you fall on. You should be PISSED OFF that a Canadian was murdered, in Canada, in the name of religious zealousness, instead of trying to score political points against a guy you hate, who had nothing to do with this murder.

No. I'm saddened that someone was murdered, sure. But until more information comes to light, it would be premature to be "pissed off" about anything. Well, not entirely. I could be pissed off at how this is being mishandled by the government. Because asshat backbenchers fucking well speculating during question period is NOT the fucking way any sane government would handle any murder case, let alone one that is as potentially incendiary as this one. And did you mention scoring political points? Cause THAT is exactly what is pissing me off about the whole fucking thing. Joisus.

IDIOT,...my post was in response to the other idiot justifying what the Muslim terrorist did,... because pretty much the whole world has had it with this shit,...and are responding in kind,...learn to read and comprehend,...will ya.

The other idiot did exactly speculate why he did what he did.

Oh. Terribly sorry. My bad for not following the conversation. Say, could you do me a solid and actually point out where groggy said a gawdamned thing that could in a million years be construed as being even vaguely similar to what you are tarring him with? No? Because I was right and he was saying nothing of the kind? Right you are. K thanx. Bye nao.

 

[Titalian]

Exactly.

Harper wants Canada to go in and bomb Iraq and Muslim's in general and everyone is surprised when some of them get upset.
Canada used to stand for peace, backpacking with a Canadian flag used to get you around the world without people getting mad at you.
Harper killed that.

Your absolutely right. This government is destroying everything we stand for.

 

[basketcase]

Exactly.

Harper wants Canada to go in and bomb Iraq and Muslim's in general and everyone is surprised when some of them get upset.
Canada used to stand for peace, backpacking with a Canadian flag used to get you around the world without people getting mad at you.
Harper killed that.

Am I the only one amused by grog's tripe?

 

[basketcase]

...The link below has his picture with Muslim head covering holding the Koran.
...

Oh no. A Muslim with Muslim prayer garb.

Yes, fully likely a terror attack but your 'evidence' is plain retarded. Sort of like a pic of a Priest with collar being 'proof' of child molesting.

 

[basketcase]

Are you this incapable of following a discussion? We were not speculating on his motivations. We were outlining (no speculation involved, really) the motivation of the government to fearmonger and rush to judgement before ANY of the facts are out. It's bad enough when the press and the "mob" do it, but to have your own fucking government pull this shit? Beyond the motherfucking pale.

Do you have reason to (reflexively) assume government conspiracy before ANY of the facts are out?

 

[basketcase]

CBC is reporting that the driver had his passport suspended by the government before any of this happened and before he committed any crime.

Which raises a few questions we should all be very concerned about....

Yep. The guy looks to intentionally kill Canadian soldiers but we should feel sorry for him since he's a victim. After all, murdering random people is the way Canadian values teaches us to deal with our discontent.

 

[LickRus]

Oh no. A Muslim with Muslim prayer garb.

Yes, fully likely a terror attack but your 'evidence' is plain retarded. Sort of like a pic of a Priest with collar being 'proof' of child molesting.

Looks like Isis or Taliban garb...or desert garb never mind prayer garb. Guys don't wear that for prayers.

 

[FAST]

Am I the only one amused by grog's tripe?

Don't know if amused is the correct term,...but its defiantly tripe.

FAST

 

[Conil]

And really, finally, we here should also be concerned. When C-36 goes through this government, with its already established ability to spy on citizens email, phone and web browsing, that means that should they decide to target someone for some reason we don't know about, reviews and presence on this board could come back to haunt us.
I'm way more worried about what Harper is doing to this country then some wingnut who wants to go leave Canada and die in a fight that has nothing to do with us.
Harper should have just let him go.

You should go too, they shouldn't of let you in, in first place. I'm sure you'll feel at home with them.

Yep. The guy looks to intentionally kill Canadian soldiers but we should feel sorry for him since he's a victim. After all, murdering random people is the way Canadian values teaches us to deal with our discontent.

:thumb: Groogy's philosophy :rofl:

 

[groggy]

You should go too, they shouldn't of let you in, in first place. I'm sure you'll feel at home with them.

I'm Canadian, buddy.
I'm pissed off at Harper, not at Syria.
And certainly not pissed off enough to commit a crime over the matter.

Do you support letting the boys in shorts in the PMO decide who gets to be a citizen or gets a passport?
Are you really supporting giving Harper that power?

More info from CBC:

"So he was really mad that Canada actually supported the American bombing of [ISIS] in Syria and Iraq so I think that was the main motive in killing that Canadian soldier."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-martin-couture-rouleau-1.2807285

 

[Conil]

I'm Canadian, buddy.
I'm pissed off at Harper, not at Syria.
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Of course you're Canadian, like the Toronto 18 are Canadian.

 

[groggy]

Of course you're Canadian, like the Toronto 18 are Canadian.

Whatever.

But tell me why you want to give Harper the power to take away your passport should he find something he doesn't like about you, like perhaps some hobby or vacation for hobbying?
Would you support Harper checking your email to find out if you hobby after C36?