George Galloway 'beaten over Israel comments'

[groggy]

Faith that CNN know how to fact check a quote? Absolutely.

Sure, CNN confirmed that the 12 second clip was translated correctly. But MEMRI edited the clip from an interview to take it out of context.

It is just as legit a quote as this?

Blitzer called it concentration camps.

Blitzer called it concentration camps and the media reported it as concentration camps.
The camps fully meet the definition of concentration camps:

The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.

Feiglin's plan calls for moving people out of Gaza by force to live in guarded tent camps in the desert.


You, on the other hand, continue to defend a plan for concentration camps.

How many more times do you need to lose that debate before you stop spewing that lie?

 

[Moviefan-2]

Sure, CNN confirmed that the 12 second clip was translated correctly. But MEMRI edited the clip from an interview to take it out of context.

The allegation that the clip was taken "out of context" continues to be completely baseless. You and Gryfin have been given numerous opportunities (including direct challenges) yet you have produced nothing to support that allegation. Ultimately, the allegation is nothing more than a fairy tale.

Osama Hamdan was promoting a pathological hatred of Jews for being Jewish.

If you're not an anti-Semite, don't you feel some sense of shame that you have been vigorously defending his Jew hatred?

 

[groggy]

The allegation that the clip was taken "out of context" continues to be completely baseless.

Hamdan said the clip was taken out of context or edited.
Those are the words of the man who spoke the words.

MEMRI is an Israeli government outfit that's goal is mistranslation and editing propaganda, and has been caught out many times.

Your Wolf Blitzer calling Feiglin's plan a plan for concentration camps is the news here.
Why are more interested in whether one person is racist then whether Israel is planning on building concentration camps?

It is just as legit a quote as this?

Blitzer called it concentration camps.

 

[fuji]

CNN know how to fact check a quote. It was not out of context. How do I know? CNN fact checked it.

Groggy, unless you have some evidence that the quote is wrong, CNN carries more authority than you do.

 

[gryfin]

The allegation that the clip was taken "out of context" continues to be completely baseless. You and Gryfin have been given numerous opportunities (including direct challenges) yet you have produced nothing to support that allegation. Ultimately, the allegation is nothing more than a fairy tale.

Osama Hamdan was promoting a pathological hatred of Jews for being Jewish.

If you're not an anti-Semite, don't you feel some sense of shame that you have been vigorously defending his Jew hatred?

Sorry, sweetcheeks, it's your assertion regarding Hamdan and despite many opportunities to prove the context is what you are claiming, you've been batting .000.

On the other hand, we've got you saying exactly the same thing as Hamdan and, if we use your standards, you are just as guilty as he is.

Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover

Can you confirm you said this? You have already told us there is no justification for using these words.

You've got a credibility and a hypocrisy problem.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Sorry, sweetcheeks, it's your assertion regarding Hamdan...

The Groggy/Gryfin fairy tale gets even more far-fetched. Who would have imagined that was even possible?

According to Gryfin, major media throughout the world -- including the New York Times, CNN, the Atlantic, and others -- ran items on Hamdan's blood libel based on the comments that MF-2 has been posting on TERB.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how events unfolded.

...and despite many opportunities to prove the context is what you are claiming, you've been batting .000.

No, actually, the context was reported by CNN and others.

I don't have to "prove" the merits of what has been accurately reported throughout the world, particularly when the validity of the reports is not in question.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/...t-history-of-a-dangerous-myth/comment-page-3/

In case you need this explained to you again, here is the context: Osama Hamdan, a spokesman for Hamas, was on al-Quds TV promoting the pathological hatred of Jews for being Jewish.

Hamas is driven by a pathological hatred of Jews. Its charter calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Hamas' followers expect extreme Jew hatred from leaders like Hamdan, and Hamdan delivered.

 

[gryfin]

The Groggy/Gryfin fairy tale gets even more far-fetched. Who would have imagined that was even possible?

According to Gryfin, major media throughout the world -- including the New York Times, CNN, the Atlantic, and others -- ran items on Hamdan's blood libel based on the comments that MF-2 has been posting on TERB.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how events unfolded.



No, actually, the context was reported by CNN and others.

I don't have to "prove" the merits of what has been accurately reported throughout the world, particularly when the validity of the reports is not in question.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/...t-history-of-a-dangerous-myth/comment-page-3/

In case you need this explained to you again, here is the context: Osama Hamdan, a spokesman for Hamas, was on al-Quds TV promoting the pathological hatred of Jews for being Jewish.

Hamas is driven by a pathological hatred of Jews. Its charter calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Hamas' followers expect extreme Jew hatred from leaders like Hamdan, and Hamdan delivered.

Still batting .000. A lot of bombast but no content. Another opportunity where you provide nothing. Where is the footage that will let us know what the context was. What was the point or question he was responding to? You have to wonder why MEMRI edited that out. And we are all wondering why you can't provide it either.

Considering you've been caught making the same statements you've got a credibility and hypocrisy problem that is growing.

 

[Moviefan-2]

What was the point or question he was responding to?

As if that matters.

In fact, I do know what questions he was asked by Wolf Blitzer on CNN. And I saw his responses, where he refused to retract or refute a single word of the blood libel.

Gryfin, it is you and Groggy that are peddling the fairy tale that major media throughout the world got it wrong and that Hamdan's comments were somehow taken "out of context" (although you refuse to tell us what you think that context was).

The onus is on you to prove that the major media got it wrong. The onus is not on me to disprove your baseless fairy tales.

 

[toguy5252]

As if that matters.

In fact, I do know what questions he was asked by Wolf Blitzer on CNN. And I saw his responses, where he refused to retract or refute a single word of the blood libel.

Gryfin, it is you and Groggy that are peddling the fairy tale that major media throughout the world got it wrong and that Hamdan's comments were somehow taken "out of context" (although you refuse to tell us what you think that context was).

The onus is on you to prove that the major media got it wrong. The onus is not on me to disprove your baseless fairy tales.

This has got to be among the funnier hijackings by the clown brothers. They are arguing not with you but with virtually every western news gathering operation. Their idiotic parsing of words is really quite hilarious.

They really are quite pathetic clown. Increasingly desperate and silly and blinded by their antisemitism. But always good for a laugh. Too funny.

 

[Moviefan-2]

This has got to be among the funnier hijackings by the clown brothers. They are arguing not with you but with virtually every western news gathering operation. Their idiotic parsing of words is really quite hilarious.

They really are quite pathetic clown. Increasingly desperate and silly and blinded by their antisemitism. But always good for a laugh. Too funny.

I hear you.

I actually don't think G and G are anti-Semites. I think their problem is they can't admit they were wrong.

They're actually more comfortable looking stupid and defending one of the worst kinds of hatred than having to publicly admit they got something wrong.

 

[fuji]

Meanwhile. CNN fact checked the quote.

Gryfin can flail around all he likes, wont change the facts.

 

[groggy]

Gryfin, it is you and Groggy that are peddling the fairy tale that major media throughout the world got it wrong and that Hamdan's comments were somehow taken "out of context" (although you refuse to tell us what you think that context was).

Wrong again.

I haven't claimed that CNN or other media got it wrong when they translated the 12 second clip from Israeli propgandists MEMRI, I state that Hamdan claims his words were taken out of context by the Israeli government agency, MEMRI, who have been caught out numerous times faking things.

If you argue that quotes take out of context are fair, then you must tell us why you issued this hate speech:

Originally Posted by Moviefan-2
Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover

 

[fuji]

I state that Hamdan claims his words were taken out of context by the Israeli government agency, MEMRI

Except it was fact checked by CNN.

And you are not allowed to complain about MEMRI when on another thread you linked 972 blog and electronic intefada.

If we are sticking to proper media sources, so should you.

P.S., CNN is a proper media source

 

[Moviefan-2]

If you argue that quotes taken out of context are fair...

Now, you're guilty of lying.

I have not argued that "quotes taken out of context are fair."

When it comes to evidence to support the allegation that the clip was taken out of context, you and Gryfin have produced absolutely nothing.

I have repeatedly challenged you to produce evidence to support your allegation. All you do is provide your baseless opinions and conspiracy-nut language about how the clip came from a longer interview and we don't know what question he was asked (as if that matters).

By claiming they got the context wrong, you are -- in fact -- claiming that CNN, the New York Times, The Atlantic and others got it wrong.

But you have no proof. Your allegation is a complete fairy tale.

Osama Hamdan was promoting the pathological hatred of Jews for being Jewish. That is not in dispute.

Not surprisingly, your defence of Hamdan's Jew hatred is leading people to suspect you're an anti-Semite.

 

[groggy]

Now, you're guilty of lying.

I have not argued that "quotes taken out of context are fair."

You continue to use a quote the author says was taken out of context by known propagandists, MEMRI.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute#Financial_support

The 12 second clip that MEMRI released to the media is typical of their work. They have been caught mistranslating statements numerous times, see above links. In this case, the translation may be correct but the context is most probably not. And the author's assertion that it was taken out of context should at the very least give you enough doubt about the legitimacy of the quote as to not use it.

Your continual use of this quote when the author of it clearly states it was taken out of context shows that you don't care about quotes taken out of context.
It has as much legitimacy as this quote:

Originally Posted by Moviefan-2
Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover

I can claim that you are a racist because you said this.
So why is it that you think my quote is unfair but MEMRI's quote is fair?

 

[toguy5252]

I hear you.

I actually don't think G and G are anti-Semites. I think their problem is they can't admit they were wrong.

They're actually more comfortable looking stupid and defending one of the worst kinds of hatred than having to publicly admit they got something wrong.

I have no doubt that gryf the senior clown is virulently antisemitic and completely blind to reality and facts and history as a result. His protege grog perhaps less virulent but antisemitic nonetheless. Their posts speak for themselves.

 

[fuji]

The author is a terrorist who has been caught spewing racist hate in a quote that was fact checked by CNN. Like most of Hamas, like you, he is a liar and a man of absolutely no moral integrity. He can deny it all he likes: he is caught. CNN fact checked that quote.

Not that there was any doubt about Hamas being vile antisemites in the first place. This quote does not exist in a vacuum, the context is a campaign of terror against Jews, the Hamas Charter, etc, that is the context.

 

[groggy]

The author is a terrorist who has been caught spewing racist hate in a quote that was fact checked by CNN. Like most of Hamas, like you, he is a liar and a man of absolutely no moral integrity. He can deny it all he likes: he is caught. CNN fact checked that quote.

Not that there was any doubt about Hamas being vile antisemites in the first place. This quote does not exist in a vacuum, the context is a campaign of terror against Jews, the Hamas Charter, etc, that is the context.

You continue to use a quote the author says was taken out of context by known propagandists, MEMRI.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute#Financial_support

The 12 second clip that MEMRI released to the media is typical of their work. They have been caught mistranslating statements numerous times, see above links. In this case, the translation may be correct but the context is most probably not. And the author's assertion that it was taken out of context should at the very least give you enough doubt about the legitimacy of the quote as to not use it.

Your continual use of this quote when the author of it clearly states it was taken out of context shows that you don't care about quotes taken out of context.
It has as much legitimacy as this quote:

Originally Posted by Moviefan-2
Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover

I can claim that you are a racist because you said this.
So why is it that you think my quote is unfair but MEMRI's quote is fair?

 

[fuji]

No matter how much you bluster, CNN fact checked the quote. I trust CNN. I do not trust Hamdan, he is a liar like you, and like all Palestinian extremists.

 

[exceed]

No matter how much you bluster, CNN fact checked the quote. I trust CNN. I do not trust Hamdan, he is a liar like you, and like all Palestinian extremists.

And how would you know that CNN did fact check on what was already posted?