Puritan Harper CONS to "fast track" prostitution bill
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Much more likely is that if the agency goes down, so do you.
The multi-million dollar study that concluded that police don't give a fuck about prostitutes? That disproves my point?No one gives a fuck??? Yeah, right.
For example, as a start:
http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/public_inquiries/docs/Forsaken-ES.pdf
Pickton inquiry slams 'blatant failures' by police
Report recommends Greater Vancouver establish a regional police force
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ry-slams-blatant-failures-by-police-1.1191108
My reference material is being a member of society and understanding how people view prostitutes, i.e. as pariahs, low caste, unclean, outside of the normal bounds of behavior and etiquette, criminal, drug-addicted, gang involved, diseased, the list goes on. All of which are grossly unjustified prejudices, none of which are challenged by C-36 or ratio in Bedford.
Loss of her livelihood, career & income could be a huge motivator to lie in court.
Not being labeled a "rat" would be another incentive.
Fear of revenge for destroying someone's life would be a third reason.
Testifying in court that she has many customers, often has sessions without "sexual services" & can't recall the particulars of the client(s) on trial should pose no risk to the SP re being convicted of lieing in court.
That's in the extremely unlikely event of a client being involved in such a court case. It would be like the chance of winning the multi million dollar lottery or being struck by lightning. Both before and after Bill C-36 becoming law.
A criminal record in Canada does not mean you lose your passport & cannot travel internationally.
Loss of firearms? It's Americans who pack guns. Canadians smoke pot & get criminal records for it.
"1.5 million Canadian citizens now have criminal records for possession of cannabis."
Effect of Criminal Records on Travel
http://www.nclt.com.au/
You will not be allowed into the US, as a criminal record involving moral terpitude is disqualifying. As for anything else, you're going to get a hassle at the border.
Canadians pack guns also, although not on their person. 2 million Canadians have a firearms license, and any criminal record gets your license and guns taken away.
Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport or Canadian travel document to, and may revoke the passport of, a person who:
- is charged in Canada with the commission of an indictable offence, or a similar offence abroad;
- is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave Canada or, being abroad, is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave that country;
Some will, some won't, I'm in no position to judge which is which. I would think quite a few of them don't know themselves whether they really would be a hero in the face of an actual threat of prison. I bet a lot more think they are tough than really are.
I would not under any circumstance trust a site like that with incriminating information. No one in their right mind should. Particularly given the laws we have here in Canada.
Importing US systems to the Canadian legal system is a bad idea. Totally different problems between the two countries.
Last thing I need is an SP telling a court that she knows I am a regular because I had a preferred 411 account and she had a copy of it, crown exhibit #8.
A very small percentage of us work in the USA. As for travel, that leaves about 200 countries in the world you can travel to with a criminal record. Or just about all of them except one & why would i want to support a nation with my holiday dollars that has such draconian laws?
I'd happily take a 1 in 1000 chance of being caught lieing in court and a short time in jail to not lose my career and hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of dollars. It's a no brainer.
Better yet if the SP only offers companionship for pay. Then she can tell the truth in court with no risk to her or her clients. LE would be highly likely to never even bother to try prosecuting such. They have much easier marks to get their quotas & chaching.
I'd even go as far as to say it would be like the chances of being hit by lightning while winning the lottery.
I own property in the US and travel frequently, a criminal conviction would destroy me and my family. If this Bill passes, I will stop this "hobby" immediately and just yank it like a monkey in a tree.
You guys are applying your logic to a narrow set of assumed circumstances and defined behaviour to conclude that this scenario is impossible. Like your assessment of odds, you're betting big on one outcome while ignoring the possibility of many others.
Well, I don't have a lot of faith in our government. The underlying premise of the bill is that prostitution is inherently exploitative, and therefore must be made illegal. Because, you know, we can't allow consenting adults to make their own choices! Can't have that!
And because this bill is based on that false premise, it's basically unsalvageable without throwing out the whole thing and starting over.
I don't agree with that. You must like this law, are you not a STAUNCH conservative? The same can be said about that OnTheBottom guy as well.
Or only a conservative with a liberal penis? lol
On that basis, I don't have a lot of faith in ANY government. The same attitude exists in every party, but applied to different issues. With the Cons, it's sex and drugs. With the Libs and Dippers it's guns and wealth. Whatever they don't like or find contrary to how THEY would like to live their lives, they want to regulate and legislate. (However, at a philosophical level, I have a greater problem with the Libs and Dippers; they are happy to let citizens indulge in leisure and recreation but frown upon self-sufficiency? wtf)
Destroy you? Worse than having no sex life? Property can't be sold, rented out, etc? Travel isn't possible to 200 other countries awaiting those with criminal convictions with open arms? Some of them even have legal prostitution, though [for the most part] the USA isn't one of them, so i guess you are already wanking it 100% of the time whenever you are stateside.
