And that works out just great for guys south of the border:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal
Puritan Harper CONS to "fast track" prostitution bill
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal
SP's don't have to lie. Peoples' memories are not that reliable after a while. So asked if she can recognise in the courtroom the person who bought sex from her, 'Well, I'm not so sure that it's him because it was kinda dark in there. And besides, you honour, that man over there told me that they would nail me for posession of marijuana if I didn't identify the accused as such. '
In any case,it is now established that the SP will also have committed a crime but is immune from prosecution. So can a prostitute refuse to testify on the grounds that it will incirminate her? Will they arrest SP's and let them go before prosecution, thereby keeping an arrest record on them?
Moreover, I imagine the crown would not call someone as a witness unless they were certain she was cooperative. If it's clear she has no intention of incriminating someone and they have no mean to force her they don't have a case and the problem of possibly lying under oath doesn't even arise.
That's exactly what Rick Hanson said they need to do when he testified at the Justice Committee. But it's for their own good, so it's ok.
Still, the threat of a perjury charge in a situation where the SP has nothing to fear from stating the truth, plus usual police interrogation tactics, mean that customers have to assume the SP will testify against them if there is ever a trial, and that any information in her possession will be seized and used by police.
The ultimate point I'm making is that while the industry won't go away, it will change, and the direction of change will be towards the client trying to limit what the SP knows.
Even if the SP doesn't testify, she may have records of what she knows. She may have your address or hotel room written down or stored in her phone or email. She may have a photo of you. She may have you phone number and text messages. It will be in your interests to ensure she doesn't have these things or that they are useless.
Previously client privacy concerns primarily related to ensuring a spouse didn't discover the use of escorts. Going forward the biggest privacy concern will be limiting what data police could seize from an SP, something that was not a concern AT ALL under the old laws.
So, we will see more dimly lit venues to minimize the quality of photos, more walk ins by anonymous customers and less booking with background checks, outcall customers being reluctant to give an address and instead meeting in the hotel lobby, and in general greater use of anonymous phones, etc.
In short it will drive prostitution further underground into literally shadier places and involving more shadowy people.
We will NOT see a system of establishing mutual trust like in the US, because our laws create different incentives. In the US both client and SP lose in bust but in Canada the asymmetric nature of the possible charge gives clients and SPs different incentives and will result in different practices.
For out call the biggest change needed will be for you to eliminate as much record keeping as possible in a way that is very obvious to the customer. For example, not getting a complete address for an outcall but instead agreeing to a rendezvous location like a hotel lobby, rather than a room number.
For in call I think the whole business will shift towards more of a walk-in set up with little in the way of advance booking, with dim lighting to give customers confidence that photos and video aren't being recorded.
Things like that.
Honestly I think those things are incompatible with making SP's safer, and I think that reality is ultimately why the law should be challenged again. But I think until it is challenged, that is the reality.
In the short term you yourself can make arrangements with existing customers that you trust without much impact to the way you do things.
In the longer run, new girls entering the business will never be as safe as you have been these past few years.
Honestly no one (I don't mean me, I don't mean the guys on this board, I don't mean SPs, but society in general) gives a fuck what happens to sex workers. look at Picton, the Highway of Tears, etc. Hell look at the C-36 hearings, where the committees plugged their ears and shouted la-la-la whenever an SP testified against the law.
What society does want is a Madonna/whore dichotomy, and this law definitely keeps that intact.
Not sold on that site, personally:
Perhaps a good investment, but still..
TMI, but that's just my opinion..
What the hell was he doing at the committee hearings anyway? How is his input on C-36 any more valid then any other police chief? Where was Bill Blair or Marc Parent?
The problem is, if yer paranoid enough to think that an SP will get squeezed by LE for info on clients and will roll on you in a heartbeat, then you are also paranoid to think that the website owners/admins will be subject to the same treatment by the newly revamped, well funded, and nothing-better-to-do Vice squads every PD in Canada is suddenly going to put to work.I wonder if it's better for some gents to provide that info ONCE to one site, rather than multiple times, to multiple providers.. who will, as you seem to think, throw you right the hell under that bus when it rolls up
you're not sold on anything. maybe if that's not even good enough you should just retire. no offence, gents like you that won't provide verification info won't be getting laid, not by verified providers anyways ...
But even without being paranoid, web-based personal data is about as secure as a cheesecloth, so there's an added reason not to sign up. (which also happens to be the reason I keep my nude selfies in my wallet, right beside that old cracked condom and my driver's licence, and ready to fall out every time I get my credit card)
But...but... don't you know that the new revamped Vice squads will have every resource at their disposal? Unlimited money? Licence to blackmail and even murder foreign nationals if it gets them the personal info of just one John? It doesn't matter that the site is in the States, the Vice squad knows no boundaries. They'll gethca, no matter what! OH SHIT!! THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!! AARGGGGGGGGHGhhhhhh!
...errr, I was kinda serious about not wanting to give actual identifying info to a website though. Nothing to do with paranoia about LE, maybe just a bit of paranoia about personally identifying data stored online.
Lol. There are lots of articles. Wording can change. Big amendments, no. But trust that we might be a bit more involved in this process than you. I don't just speak out of my ass. Sheesh!
Couldn't have said it better myself!thank you.
I really wasn't going to return to this crazy thread because I felt many were being unrealistic, assuming and speculating about things far from the realm of possibility at best. But this post gives me hope again
Really, to the guys who are feeling pissed off, angry, sad, frustrated, insulted, feeling marginalized, feeling like they're being treated badly, unfairly, unjustly, and just completely WRONG... we get it. We really do.
We, independents, agencies, massage spas alike, are working on things madly behind the scenes. We are working on things like website changes, location changes, advertising changes, booking changes, all kinds of things to ensure we can safely service those who book, and safely continue to accept those bookings.
Comments that suggest we're going to admit we're selling sex because we can't be charged and are ignorant enough to not realize that can be used in court anger me. Comments that suggest we will sell out our clients at the first sign of trouble anger me. There are a great deal of really awesome ladies that I know would never, ever, hesitate to protect their clients at any cost. I've already said I will tell any cop that I was the one paying for sex... and I meant that.
Please understand that every single one of us that cares is trying to figure out ways to make the future safe for you all. Things will change, that's certain. Booking procedures, websites, all kinds of things will be changing. We don't even really know what the law is yet and we're preparing tools to manage, whatever the final outcome might be.
Give us a chance to show you that we care, and we will do our best to keep you safe.
He's always a skeptic, very hard to please, & rarely happy. But I think a site like that is brilliant! People can talk & deal in membership #'s.I wonder if it's better for some gents to provide that info ONCE to one site, rather than multiple times, to multiple providers.. who will, as you seem to think, throw you right the hell under that bus when it rolls up
you're not sold on anything. maybe if that's not even good enough you should just retire. no offence, gents like you that won't provide verification info won't be getting laid, not by verified providers anyways ...
What, me read details before spouting off with an ill informed opinion? Fuck no!ok did you see this part?? is it even possible for them to ENTIRELY destroy your personal information? THAT would be the question. I suggest you contact them and find out. Then I suggest you contact me, visit me, and allow me to provide you with P411 verification.
But hell yeah on the visit you part, sooner or later
Hi Jessica. Please, enlighten us on what things you're discussing with the cabal of independents, agencies, massage spas alike. Clients like myself would love to know what measures are being floated around to protect our clean criminal records. It would put us at ease. I don't doubt that providers et al care about their current/potential clients but the lack of transparency and open discussion is breeding contempt & distrust.
Okay, maybe I can guess some measures, but I hate guessing when a criminal record is on the line.
You don't mention them, but it's also of interest whether review/recommendation board administrators are part of these cabal discussions too. Was TERB's move to offshore domain/web hosting and botched HTTPS rollout part of the secret plan?
Feel free to PM. /Rule 13
Doesn't matter who the new mayor and police chief are We need to prepare for the worst. Spas indys and agencies need to formulate tactics and ways to protect themselves against C-36
and have their lawyers ready if shit hits the fan.
