They don't get everybody, but they do have stings. They catch people and post their names. I believe they even caught a Canadian M.P. (from Saskatchewan or Alberta).BINGO!!! Look at the situation in The U.S. were it is illegal for both Girl & client. In all major cities Incalls & OutCalls are thriving ..... and are advertising on BACKPAGE. Cops & communities worry more about other things than consenting adults involved in this Industry.... PERIOD!!
It won't change by much.I don't see much denial. But, it's still much too soon to know what c36 will look like in its final draft.
They don't have to bust the SP or agency. They will ask them for their records at or near the time that they've nabbed a john or johns. If the SP refuses, then they may seize the evidence. (So this means that SPs or agencies have to be careful what they record).There is no imminent danger of the evidence being destroyed unless they tell an agency or SP in advance that they're going to bust them. If they want to get to those records they will have to get a warrant before they proceed.
Easy enough in a case such as this to get a warrant which lists cell phones and cell phone records.There is no imminent danger of the evidence being destroyed unless they tell an agency or SP in advance that they're going to bust them. If they want to get to those records they will have to get a warrant before they proceed.
They exist. They're called phones now.
And it really isn't that far fetched to imagine a scenario where phones, tablets, computers credit card records (for those who accept credit) may be subpoenaed or seized by warrant as evidence of a suspected crime. The question then becomes whether the owner of those records would testify to the context of the information.
That's what I thought. Then someone pointed out to me that leverage isn't exclusive to sex activities. Do you think every SP lives a squeaky clean life? The example put to me was what if an SP is caught on another unrelated charge? Would you count on her to take one for the team? More to the point, how many sexworkers do you know actually think of this as a "career"?
I think workers have a good incentive not to incriminate their clients. Once an SP gets a client convicted, I imagine her career will be pretty much over.
It's only about communicating in public next to a school or playground. It does not apply to communication in a private location.
It won't be a single escort and a single client. It will be a single escort and every client from her appointment book that the police can locate.
You are saying she could easily lie, and it would be tricky to catch her, but why would she? She isn't facing any charges, the ONLY way she gets into legal hot water is by lying under oath. OK, so the police MIGHT not be able to prove perjury, but would you take that bet?
If you were that escort would you REALLY lie under oath? You have nothing to gain and everything to lose by lying. You can admit the truth without charge, but if it is proved you lied under oath then you go to prison.
I cannot imagine any lawyer ever advising an escort to perjure herself, all risk for no reward for her, so 9 out of 10 times she will sing.
I don't think so. Selling is still an unlawful act. They are just not being prosecuted.If I may ask, could an SP's right to sell sex afford her the right to protect client confidentiality?
We are not talking about traffic court here, if a witness who had been ordered to appear in criminal court fails to show up the judge will issue an arrest warrant and force them to show up. If they show up but refuse to testify they will be held in contempt of court and jailed until they change their mind. Once on the stand if they are caught lying and convicted of perjury the penalty is up to 14 years in jail.As for SP's testifying in court or against a client, i'm sure many SP's would rather fail to make it in time for the case due to traffic or over sleeping, etc.
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What is the chance of being caught lieing? One in a 100? The punishment? A few days in jail? Could be better than losing one's career.
And things won't go well if after she denies under oath providing a sexual service police produce a recording from an undercover of her offering one, or a signed confession from a customer she denied having sex with, say if he plead out for a conditional discharge.I tend to agree. It would take a very smart escort to evade questioning. She's done if her ads include a menu. Merely mentioning 'companionship services' could be an admission of sexual services.
They still have to prove that the accused clients paid for a sexual service. Even if she is known to offer such services, it does not prove that client X got those services. Here's an analogy: if you see me walking in an out of a restaurant, you don't know what I bought while I was there.She's done if her ads include a menu. Merely mentioning 'companionship services' could be an admission of sexual services.
Speaking of ads - SP's won't be able to find and delete every old ad they've ever placed online, so how will they deal with that?I tend to agree. It would take a very smart escort to evade questioning. She's done if her ads include a menu. Merely mentioning 'companionship services' could be an admission of sexual services.
Here is how it happens, she is served a subpeona as a witness and three of her clients are arrested. She goes under oath and denies having sex with any of them. The prosecutor then makes a deal with one of the three getting him to sign a confession in exchange for a slap on the wrist. She now faces 14 years in prison for lying under oath, and the prosecutor goes after her and the remaining two clients.They still have to prove that the accused clients paid for a sexual service. Even if she is known to offer such services, it does not prove that client X got those services. Here's an analogy: if you see me walking in an out of a restaurant, you don't know what I bought while I was there.
Yeah, I saw that perjury could result in up to 14 years of prison time. Yikes!And things won't go well if after she denies under oath providing a sexual service police produce a recording from an undercover of her offering one, or a signed confession from a customer she denied having sex with, say if he plead out for a conditional discharge.
An SP ordered to testify who faces no criminal charge for admitting the truth would be stupid to risk 14 years in prison by lying to save her client from a conviction.
Previous ads before the new law are irrelevant. The only ads that would be relevant are those that we on at the time of the investigated crime.Speaking of ads - SP's won't be able to find and delete every old ad they've ever placed online, so how will they deal with that?
An ad for services provided before the new law comes into effect can't be used against you, you can always say you stopped after it became illegal.Speaking of ads - SP's won't be able to find and delete every old ad they've ever placed online, so how will they deal with that?
If an ad has expired it should not be online.Speaking of ads - SP's won't be able to find and delete every old ad they've ever placed online, so how will they deal with that?
Why would anyone expect anything to change? The Chair of the senate committee just went on record to say that they won't be asking for any substantive amendments. Is there a rabbit in a hat somewhere?It won't change by much.
"Wait and see" to me applies to what extent it will be enforced, but the final draft will still make johns criminals.
A subpoenaed witness can't refuse to testify (as long as they're within the appropriate jurisdiction of the Court issuing the subpoena). Obviously you can't lie under oath. But, you also should not give any answer to which you are not certain of the answer. Don't guess. Don't assume.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury
I just need a quick primer on perjury, obstruction of justice and contempt of court.
If an SP refuses to testify, that is not perjury but contempt of court and obstruction of justice right? Is there jail time for these charges?
Does the client has any proof beside his own words? I would assume that it would take some solid proof to convict someone of perjury. Not a just he said/she said.The prosecutor then makes a deal with one of the three getting him to sign a confession in exchange for a slap on the wrist. She now faces 14 years in prison for lying under oath, and the prosecutor goes after her and the remaining two clients.
