Will they wipe the ad forums on review boards so ladies can start fresh with ads that don't incriminate themselves?
Puritan Harper CONS to "fast track" prostitution bill
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Fuji is right. Assuming the police have the time and money to enforce Bill C-36 in certain cases, these are some of the tactics that they can use I'm afraid.
If those ads are domiciled on a server outside of Canada, I doubt it.
But I've found ads via Google of some indies which were on obscure sites unbeknownst to them. They were only used to generate traffic.
One way to disassociate yourself is to change your # (ouch).
I can't see this being a huge issue though. The police know that there are foreign sites that hijack legitimate ads and place them on their sites.
Relax, lets see what happens, we're speculating, Especially with Mtl LE voicing their opiniion on the priority of this crime. Like they said, we have bigger eggs to fry, other
than arresting two consenting adults engaged in this harmless act. But lets face it, Montreal has always been more progressive when it comes to this type of stuff.
I'm telling you, this government will be eating their dirty shorts, in the end. What a waist of fucken money.
than arresting two consenting adults engaged in this harmless act. But lets face it, Montreal has always been more progressive when it comes to this type of stuff.
I'm telling you, this government will be eating their dirty shorts, in the end. What a waist of fucken money.
Also, many people use fake names and not their real cell phones, so the escort has nothing to go by except the face. Which she may very well not be certain if she remembers it or not.
I don't expect it to change but one of the ladies thought we should wait and see the final draft just in case (perhaps it might change for licensed establishments?).
Ah ha. Every john should wear a mask. This might mean that kissing and DFK will be restricted, but you can never be I.D.'d later.
You are right, it is a criminal code conviction, and requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a judge or jury.
Presumably the police will have some evidence besides the signed confession, like phone and email records, etc., which in combination with a signed confession will make a pretty good case, but as in every criminal case the defense lawyer might find a way to beat it.
But seriously, why would the SP risk any of that when she can simply tell the truth and walk away scott free?
I cannot imagine any lawyer in this country advising an SP to lie to protect her clients in face of the very serious consequences that are possible, when an honest account has NO negatives for her.
If she herself faces criminal charges for prosecution then she might have a reason to lie under oath to save herself, but she doesn't have any risk of being charged unless she lies.
Yes, this is what will happen. Because the SP can be forced to act as a witness for the prosecution customers will want to remain as anonymous as possible, and limit the information the SP has, so that the SP has nothing of value to tell the police. That way if she is forced to testify, she can do so honestly without giving the police anything useful.
Customers will want to meet the SP in situations where they are not likely being photographed, and where it is hard to find out who they were.
So for example, picking up an outcall from a prearranged location (hotel lobby) rather than giving her a complete address, insisting that incalls be darkened to limit the odds of being photographed, and to make it harder to remember faces, refusing to give the SP any useful contact information by way of disposable phones, and untraceable anonymous email addresses (not gmail).
These are the strategies customers will adopt to limit the odds of being prosecuted. Nothing helps if the police bust into the session, or if it is a sting, but this way you can't be tracked down and arrested after the fact.
And it is these things that will tend to make SP's less safe than they are today. Today the police cannot arrest you after the fact, so customers don't care if the SP has their photo or address or basic contact information. But under the new law that will change.
A more likely solution is dimly lit massage parlours, etc, too dark for a good photograph and hard to be sure you remember the face of the random stranger who walked in without an appointment and was vague about what they wanted.
You have to be prepared to make yourself a nation wide household name as the john who fought for his right to buy sex. Your name will be as widely known as Bedford and your picture will run on the front page of every major newspaper.
I bet 9999 out of 10000 Johns seek a plea deal to deal with it as privately and quietly as possible.
I suspect it will take a few years to find someone willing to be the poster child for john's rights.
Any volunteers here???
Not really. Your lawyer tells the Crown Attorney that you wish to contest the charges in court and that you will be pleading Not Guilty. At that point, the Crown may wish to either proceed with prosecution of drop the case. If he proceeds with the case, how is it that the press would report this fact, as it is not newsworthy anymore. Your name might already have been published after your arrest anyway, so proceeding to court is not a newsworthy item until court proceedings are underway, and even then, not before your'e convicted.
Anyway, the Crown usally drops the charges immediately before the court sits to hear it, as the prosecutor is playing a chicken game with the accused. The Crown does not want to take the risk that they might lose the case, thereby eliminating the section as a tool for enforcement, so that's why Young said that he could never use the Criminal prosecution route to contest the anti-prostitution laws, as the Crown wouls always drop the charges before it got to that point, and that's why he had to go with another avenue.
A plea bargain to a lesser charge usually still results in a criminal record, so people charged have the weigh their options carefully.
The application of Canadian law is much harsher than in the US. In the US, most first time prostitution charges are misdemeanors, meaning that you don't lose your passport, your guns and your rights. We have no such thing as a misdemeanor charge in Canada: The ciminal code applies and in the eyes of the law, you are no different than if you commited a capital crime: you lose you passport, your firearms license and you become an untrusworthy person with respect to your employment. The application of this law in Canada is draconian, even when comparing to the US.
They will only be able to charge the newspaper or the website where your ads were posted. Sex-workers will not be prosecuted themselves for placing ads. It's just that you will have a hard time getting your ad accepted by the provider, just in case they have to do with prostitution. I expect that, even if your ad is non-specific, such as merely offering companionship, it will get turned down in case they get accused. Advertising mediums will have to expunge previous ads, the ones that were posted before the law takes effect, if they want to avoid issues with the law. Although newspapers are already printed and its too late for them, that's not the case for web ads.
Of course, I would expect police to issue warnings first, which is probably not going to happen as it becomes an issue of manpower resources. There is not going to be any extra money in police budgets for cracking down on this stuff.
Of course, because you are looking at it only from your perspective. I must consider all perspectives. I have vested interest, I have clients to worry about, I have staff to worry about most of all!!!!
Small changes can be big. As I said above, perspective is everything. And yes, I secretly dream about hat rabbits
My worry would be how much it would cost me in legal fees before the charge is dropped. I don't know how long the crown could drag the preliminaries before the actual hearing.
If you're lucky, $5000. If the Crown drags it out and keeps on cancelling your court date at the last minute, probably $20,000. But $20,000 may be worth it to keep you from getting a criminal record.
The reality is that many of use would beg to plead out well before there's any trial. Whatever that costs.
It also occurs to me that for most of us, this would probably be a first charge, so pleading out is probably a strong likelihood. It will be interesting how the courts deal with repeat offenders.
I would say the opposite. Winning or getting the case dismissed is easier if you don't have any prior offense. Even if you make a plea bargain you still get the criminal record. On a first offense I would definitely fight it.
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