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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/how-to-fix-the-prostitution-law/article19736589/

How to fix the prostitution law

BRUCE RYDER
CONTRIBUTED TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
Last updated Thursday, Jul. 24 2014, 7:22 AM EDT


Bruce Ryder

Bruce Ryder is an associate professor, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University.

It doesn’t take long for the Conservative government’s bill on sex work to go off the rails: In the first sentence of the preamble it declares that “exploitation is inherent in prostitution.” In the context of the exchange of sexual services for consideration between consenting adults, this ex cathedra pronouncement is demonstrably false. It ignores mountains of social science evidence and the testimony of many sex workers. The bill perpetuates stereotypes that marginalize and stigmatize sex workers.

Bill C-36 and the government’s discourse about it draws to a remarkable degree on what the scholar Gayle Rubin identified as deep wells of “sex negativity” in our culture. Sex is neither redeemed nor corrupted by the presence or absence of economic exchange, any more than it is by the social approval or disapproval the relationship receives. Rather, the social value of any sexual activity is determined by the quality of respect and the quantity of pleasures that participants bring to each other.

The stereotype that sex work lacks social value is most commonly expressed by the question, “Would you want your daughter to be a sex worker?” Well, no, not in a society that disrespects her work and degrades the value of sexual pleasure. But if we direct our energies to dismantling the prejudices that undergird the question, the answer might be different.

The proposition that commercial exchange inevitably renders sex exploitative is a moralistic or ideological premise that will not stand scrutiny in the courts in the inevitable Charter challenge.

In rulings limiting the scope of obscenity law (Butler 1992) and legalizing adult swingers’ clubs (Labaye 2005), the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed that criminal offences must be based on concrete harms, not on conventional understandings of right and wrong. The court said that “legal moralism,” where a majority decides what values should inform individual lives and then coercively imposes those values on minorities, cannot serve as a basis for imposing limits on Charter rights. The criminal law, the court has said, should be shaped by “objectively ascertainable harm instead of subjective disapproval.”

Sexual exploitation is an objectively ascertainable harm. Preventing it is an important objective that is part of the definition of many sexual offences. Given the profound imbalances of power that can exist in the sex trade, the criminal law has an important role to play in condemning and punishing exploitative practices and relationships. But before criminalizing adult sexual relationships, exploitation is a harm that needs to be proven, not merely asserted.

Bill C-36 has some laudable provisions that respond to the need to focus on exploitative relationships and protect sex workers from risks of harm. First, the bill amends the bawdy-house provision of the Criminal Code to make it legal for sex workers to work indoors. Second, the bill draws a careful line by targeting people who exploit sex workers, such as pimps and procurers, and exempting those who provide services that can enhance sex workers’ safety, such as security guards. In these two ways, the bill is aligned with the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Bedford case, which found the existing “bawdy house” and “living on the avails” offences to be unconstitutional because they exposed sex workers to heightened risk.

Sadly, the focus on targeting exploitative relationships is completely absent from the proposed offences that prohibit the purchase of sexual services and the advertising of sexual services. Because of the false and moralistic presumption that all commercial sex is exploitative, Bill C-36 makes it an offence to purchase sexual services in any context, and likewise makes it an offence for anybody to advertise sexual services in any context (such as in a magazine or on a website).

Because these two provisions of the bill will heighten the risks faced by sex workers while legally selling their services, their overbreadth renders them unconstitutional. They are easily fixed by confining them to circumstances of exploitation.

Buyers and advertisers of sexual services should face prosecution only if they have failed to ascertain the absence of conditions of exploitation. This should include a duty to take all reasonable steps to ensure that sex workers are 18 or over, are not trafficked or otherwise subject to violence or coercion, and have given meaningful consent to sexual contact that is not compromised by, for example, mental health disabilities, alcohol or drugs.

If Bill C-36 were amended in this way, it would achieve its objective of preventing sexual exploitation more effectively. Police, prosecutorial and judicial resources would not be wasted targeting non-exploitative sexual transactions between consenting adults. Rather than stigmatizing sex workers, their clients and advertisers, they would all be enlisted in eliminating real harms, rather than avoiding prosecution for imaginary ones.
 

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/how-to-fix-the-prostitution-law/article19736589/

How to fix the prostitution law

BRUCE RYDER
CONTRIBUTED TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
Last updated Thursday, Jul. 24 2014, 7:22 AM EDT


Bruce Ryder

Bruce Ryder is an associate professor, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University.

It doesn’t take long for the Conservative government’s bill on sex work to go off the rails: In the first sentence of the preamble it declares that “exploitation is inherent in prostitution.” In the context of the exchange of sexual services for consideration between consenting adults, this ex cathedra pronouncement is demonstrably false. It ignores mountains of social science evidence and the testimony of many sex workers. The bill perpetuates stereotypes that marginalize and stigmatize sex workers.

Bill C-36 and the government’s discourse about it draws to a remarkable degree on what the scholar Gayle Rubin identified as deep wells of “sex negativity” in our culture. Sex is neither redeemed nor corrupted by the presence or absence of economic exchange, any more than it is by the social approval or disapproval the relationship receives. Rather, the social value of any sexual activity is determined by the quality of respect and the quantity of pleasures that participants bring to each other.

The stereotype that sex work lacks social value is most commonly expressed by the question, “Would you want your daughter to be a sex worker?” Well, no, not in a society that disrespects her work and degrades the value of sexual pleasure. But if we direct our energies to dismantling the prejudices that undergird the question, the answer might be different.

The proposition that commercial exchange inevitably renders sex exploitative is a moralistic or ideological premise that will not stand scrutiny in the courts in the inevitable Charter challenge.

In rulings limiting the scope of obscenity law (Butler 1992) and legalizing adult swingers’ clubs (Labaye 2005), the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed that criminal offences must be based on concrete harms, not on conventional understandings of right and wrong. The court said that “legal moralism,” where a majority decides what values should inform individual lives and then coercively imposes those values on minorities, cannot serve as a basis for imposing limits on Charter rights. The criminal law, the court has said, should be shaped by “objectively ascertainable harm instead of subjective disapproval.”

Sexual exploitation is an objectively ascertainable harm. Preventing it is an important objective that is part of the definition of many sexual offences. Given the profound imbalances of power that can exist in the sex trade, the criminal law has an important role to play in condemning and punishing exploitative practices and relationships. But before criminalizing adult sexual relationships, exploitation is a harm that needs to be proven, not merely asserted.

Bill C-36 has some laudable provisions that respond to the need to focus on exploitative relationships and protect sex workers from risks of harm. First, the bill amends the bawdy-house provision of the Criminal Code to make it legal for sex workers to work indoors. Second, the bill draws a careful line by targeting people who exploit sex workers, such as pimps and procurers, and exempting those who provide services that can enhance sex workers’ safety, such as security guards. In these two ways, the bill is aligned with the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Bedford case, which found the existing “bawdy house” and “living on the avails” offences to be unconstitutional because they exposed sex workers to heightened risk.

Sadly, the focus on targeting exploitative relationships is completely absent from the proposed offences that prohibit the purchase of sexual services and the advertising of sexual services. Because of the false and moralistic presumption that all commercial sex is exploitative, Bill C-36 makes it an offence to purchase sexual services in any context, and likewise makes it an offence for anybody to advertise sexual services in any context (such as in a magazine or on a website).

Because these two provisions of the bill will heighten the risks faced by sex workers while legally selling their services, their overbreadth renders them unconstitutional. They are easily fixed by confining them to circumstances of exploitation.

Buyers and advertisers of sexual services should face prosecution only if they have failed to ascertain the absence of conditions of exploitation. This should include a duty to take all reasonable steps to ensure that sex workers are 18 or over, are not trafficked or otherwise subject to violence or coercion, and have given meaningful consent to sexual contact that is not compromised by, for example, mental health disabilities, alcohol or drugs.

If Bill C-36 were amended in this way, it would achieve its objective of preventing sexual exploitation more effectively. Police, prosecutorial and judicial resources would not be wasted targeting non-exploitative sexual transactions between consenting adults. Rather than stigmatizing sex workers, their clients and advertisers, they would all be enlisted in eliminating real harms, rather than avoiding prosecution for imaginary ones.
Exactly! Too bad we have a bunch of puritanical, moralistic boneheads in office right now. I can just imagine Joy Smith's response: Eyes closed tight, fingers plugging her ears singing lalalalala... :rolleyes:
 

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Exactly! Too bad we have a bunch of puritanical, moralistic boneheads in office right now. I can just imagine Joy Smith's response: Eyes closed tight, fingers plugging her ears singing lalalalala... :rolleyes:
This is the law pretty much as it is Finland, where it is illegal to KNOWINGLY purchase sexual services from an underage or trafficked individual.
 

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This is the law pretty much as it is Finland, where it is illegal to KNOWINGLY purchase sexual services from an underage or trafficked individual.
Except that here in Canada, the new law will also apply to consenting adults.
 

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This is the law pretty much as it is Finland, where it is illegal to KNOWINGLY purchase sexual services from an underage or trafficked individual.
This is the most rational law I have heard of. It makes sense and doesn't persecute or victimize any party.
 

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Julia Beazley: Evangelicals are a convenient target in the prostitution debate

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...convenient-target-in-the-prostitution-debate/

Much attention is being paid to the role of Evangelical Christian voices — or those deemed Evangelical by association — in the debate over Bill C-36, the new proposed prostitution law. For some time now, those in favour of decriminalizing prostitution have been trying to frame the debate in us-and-them terms, “them” being evangelical groups with abolitionist views on prostitution.

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We’re flattered by the attention, but not at the expense of the voices of survivors. What they have to say in this debate cannot — must not — be ignored. To obscure their voices beneath a manufactured controversy about why Evangelicals are at the table is disingenuous. Let’s refocus the debate on what matters most.

Julia Beazley is a policy analyst with the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada.
She neglects to mention the fact that there are also many Evangelical Christians who are voluntarily employed as sex workers and many who are our clients.

Being a Christian and being a sex worker are not mutually exclusive.
 

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Julia Beazley: Evangelicals are a convenient target in the prostitution debate

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...convenient-target-in-the-prostitution-debate/

Much attention is being paid to the role of Evangelical Christian voices — or those deemed Evangelical by association — in the debate over Bill C-36, the new proposed prostitution law. For some time now, those in favour of decriminalizing prostitution have been trying to frame the debate in us-and-them terms, “them” being evangelical groups with abolitionist views on prostitution.

After the Supreme Court heard the Bedford case, I remember listening to interviews with co-applicant Valerie Scott and lawyer Alan Young, and being surprised to hear them singling out “the Evangelicals” and seeking to discredit our arguments as moralistic. Although one of the main parties opposing the court challenge was an impressive coalition of national women’s organizations and survivor groups, they chose to use valuable airtime to talk about what the Evangelicals had to say — or rather, what they assumed the Evangelicals had to say , which wasn’t what we’d said at all.

The Evangelical Fellowship of Canada has a reputation for mounting well-researched, well-informed and well-reasoned arguments. On this issue in particular, we are well-connected with women’s groups and frontline organizations, and most importantly with survivors of prostitution and the groups representing them. Their stories, their voices and their experiences have very much shaped and informed our position on the issue.

It’s particularly disheartening, then, to see some survivor voices discredited as either Evangelical or connected to Evangelicals. It is true that some have found faith — Evangelical or not — in their journey out of prostitution. But that does not, and should not in any way, negate their lived experiences or the strength of their voices in this debate.

Why the consistent focus on the Evangelical angle? It seems fairly transparent, actually. It is far easier to seek to discredit our voice — and those aligned with us by association — than it is to contend with the multitude of voices of survivors and women’s groups who take the same abolitionist position.

It would be ridiculous to suggest that the many survivors advocating for laws that target the demand for paid sex don’t know what they’re talking about. Or that the many women’s organizations and frontline service providers don’t understand the realities of prostitution. Or that the police, the Manitoba Attorney-General, prominent lawyers and researchers are simply being moralistic in their positioning.

But, oh, the Evangelicals. Far simpler to discredit us, and the whole abolitionist perspective along with us, as though we were its only or main proponent.

The EFC is guided by biblical principles that compel care for the vulnerable and inform the duty of care we owe one another as human beings. We are motivated by the belief that all people have inherent dignity and worth, and should not be treated as objects for another’s gratification or profit.

We share the widely held position that prostitution is rooted in the historical subordination of women and is, at its core, a form of violence, inequality and exploitation. We are passionate about working towards a society where all people — and in this case particularly women and children — can live free from exploitation, in all its forms.

Many organizations serving our nation’s most vulnerable and victimized are run and staffed by people of faith. This is a public good. A faith that gets to work and gets its hands dirty is faith at its best.

And so the EFC has been engaged in the debate about our prostitution laws, intervening before the Supreme Court, advocating for the abolition of prostitution before our parliamentarians, and testifying before the Justice Committee about the strengths and weaknesses of Bill C-36. We do this because we care deeply about the issue and the people affected, as do the many evangelicals across the country we have the privilege of representing.

We’re flattered by the attention, but not at the expense of the voices of survivors. What they have to say in this debate cannot — must not — be ignored. To obscure their voices beneath a manufactured controversy about why Evangelicals are at the table is disingenuous. Let’s refocus the debate on what matters most.

Julia Beazley is a policy analyst with the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada.
This article was in the National Post today (July 25th)
I posted this comment :

Do you also "believe" that the Bible is science, Genesis is history, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old? Please stop trying to force your narrow ideological view of morality down our throats. It only makes us non-evangelicals [the vast majority] gag.

This wasn't in my comment but, according to the most recent statistics from the last census, about 10% of Canadians describe themselves as born again or Evangelical. That figure in the US is about 30%, but is down from a high of 35%.
 

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This article was in the National Post today (July 25th)
I posted this comment :

Do you also "believe" that the Bible is science, Genesis is history, and the Earth is only 6,000 years old? Please stop trying to force your narrow ideological view of morality down our throats. It only makes us non-evangelicals [the vast majority] gag.

This wasn't in my comment but, according to the most recent statistics from the last census, about 10% of Canadians describe themselves as born again or Evangelical. That figure in the US is about 30%, but is down from a high of 35%.
Also remember, until quite recently, these were the same people who were trying to "cure" homosexuals. As far as I know, they still believe that all homosexuals will burn in Hell.
 

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Kudos to squeezer:

Latest poll as of last Thursday

Liberals 44%
The Cons 28%
NDP 18%

Even Alberta rednecks and religious fanatic idiots cannot save their skin!!!!!!

I can't wait to see this corrupt scandalist undemocratic arrogant conservatives are kicked out of power by the nation and their long long painful rein of terror ends.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/25/justin-trudeau-liberals-majority-poll_n_5620755.html

Justin Trudeau's federal Liberals would be in majority government territory if an election were held tomorrow, a new poll suggests.

According to a survey from Forum Research released Thursday, the Liberals have widened their lead over the governing Conservatives to 16 points. Forum has the Grits at 44 per cent support, followed by Stephen Harper's Tories at 28 per cent and Thomas Mulcair's NDP at 18 per cent.

Trudeau has the highest approval rating of the main three federal leaders at 46 per cent, followed by Mulcair at 40 per cent and Harper at 33 per cent.
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The interactive voice response telephone poll surveyed 1,624 randomly selected Canadians over the age of 18 last Friday. It has a margin of error of plus or minus two per cent, 19 times out of 20.

A similar Forum poll released in June had the Grits at 39 per cent, followed by the Tories at 31 per cent, suggesting momentum rests with Trudeau's party.




Down with this conservative government.
Damn straight!
 

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/how-to-fix-the-prostitution-law/article19736589/

How to fix the prostitution law

BRUCE RYDER
CONTRIBUTED TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
Last updated Thursday, Jul. 24 2014, 7:22 AM EDT


Bruce Ryder

Bruce Ryder is an associate professor, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University.

It doesn’t take long for the Conservative government’s bill on sex work to go off the rails: In the first sentence of the preamble it declares that “exploitation is inherent in prostitution.” In the context of the exchange of sexual services for consideration between consenting adults, this ex cathedra pronouncement is demonstrably false. It ignores mountains of social science evidence and the testimony of many sex workers. The bill perpetuates stereotypes that marginalize and stigmatize sex workers.

Bill C-36 and the government’s discourse about it draws to a remarkable degree on what the scholar Gayle Rubin identified as deep wells of “sex negativity” in our culture. Sex is neither redeemed nor corrupted by the presence or absence of economic exchange, any more than it is by the social approval or disapproval the relationship receives. Rather, the social value of any sexual activity is determined by the quality of respect and the quantity of pleasures that participants bring to each other.

The stereotype that sex work lacks social value is most commonly expressed by the question, “Would you want your daughter to be a sex worker?” Well, no, not in a society that disrespects her work and degrades the value of sexual pleasure. But if we direct our energies to dismantling the prejudices that undergird the question, the answer might be different.

The proposition that commercial exchange inevitably renders sex exploitative is a moralistic or ideological premise that will not stand scrutiny in the courts in the inevitable Charter challenge.

In rulings limiting the scope of obscenity law (Butler 1992) and legalizing adult swingers’ clubs (Labaye 2005), the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed that criminal offences must be based on concrete harms, not on conventional understandings of right and wrong. The court said that “legal moralism,” where a majority decides what values should inform individual lives and then coercively imposes those values on minorities, cannot serve as a basis for imposing limits on Charter rights. The criminal law, the court has said, should be shaped by “objectively ascertainable harm instead of subjective disapproval.”

Sexual exploitation is an objectively ascertainable harm. Preventing it is an important objective that is part of the definition of many sexual offences. Given the profound imbalances of power that can exist in the sex trade, the criminal law has an important role to play in condemning and punishing exploitative practices and relationships. But before criminalizing adult sexual relationships, exploitation is a harm that needs to be proven, not merely asserted.

Bill C-36 has some laudable provisions that respond to the need to focus on exploitative relationships and protect sex workers from risks of harm. First, the bill amends the bawdy-house provision of the Criminal Code to make it legal for sex workers to work indoors. Second, the bill draws a careful line by targeting people who exploit sex workers, such as pimps and procurers, and exempting those who provide services that can enhance sex workers’ safety, such as security guards. In these two ways, the bill is aligned with the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Bedford case, which found the existing “bawdy house” and “living on the avails” offences to be unconstitutional because they exposed sex workers to heightened risk.

Sadly, the focus on targeting exploitative relationships is completely absent from the proposed offences that prohibit the purchase of sexual services and the advertising of sexual services. Because of the false and moralistic presumption that all commercial sex is exploitative, Bill C-36 makes it an offence to purchase sexual services in any context, and likewise makes it an offence for anybody to advertise sexual services in any context (such as in a magazine or on a website).

Because these two provisions of the bill will heighten the risks faced by sex workers while legally selling their services, their overbreadth renders them unconstitutional. They are easily fixed by confining them to circumstances of exploitation.

Buyers and advertisers of sexual services should face prosecution only if they have failed to ascertain the absence of conditions of exploitation. This should include a duty to take all reasonable steps to ensure that sex workers are 18 or over, are not trafficked or otherwise subject to violence or coercion, and have given meaningful consent to sexual contact that is not compromised by, for example, mental health disabilities, alcohol or drugs.

If Bill C-36 were amended in this way, it would achieve its objective of preventing sexual exploitation more effectively. Police, prosecutorial and judicial resources would not be wasted targeting non-exploitative sexual transactions between consenting adults. Rather than stigmatizing sex workers, their clients and advertisers, they would all be enlisted in eliminating real harms, rather than avoiding prosecution for imaginary ones.

One of the best articles ever.

You can't assert exploitation. It must be subject to proof. Laws or charter rights cannot be predicated on 'legal moralism' (where the ruling majority imposes their values on minorities as the basis of imposing limits on Charter rights).
 

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Kudos to squeezer:

Latest poll as of last Thursday

Liberals 44%
The Cons 28%
NDP 18%

Justin Trudeau's federal Liberals would be in majority government territory if an election were held tomorrow, a new poll suggests.
Interesting... One might wonder how Justin Trudeau's Liberals would respond if they had a majority government at the time the SCC strikes down the Con's new prostitution laws. After all, it would seem Justin's own views are aligned with the Conservative's position, which is that prostitution is fundamentally exploitative.
 

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Yet more articles which don't support bill C-36. I bet you the cons will just say it's propaganda by the liberal news media...
 

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I personally believe that if we had a liberal majority instead of a Con majority when we had the SCC ruling last fall, the reaction to the ruling would have been different than what we got from the Cons which is even worse than the Nordic model (thanks to pressure from feminazi Joy Smith and selfish idiotic slave politicians like Peter MacKay or religious evangelists like Harper all Con politicians) which originally infected Sweden in 1999, even with Trudeau as leader who is an opportunist immature politician. Remember in 2005 liberal were talking of decriminalizing prostitution and even as late as last February The British Columbia Young Liberals had proposed a motion to legalize prostitution that was set for debate. But the Young Liberals withdrew the contentious motion before the convention likely due to lack of consensus among themselves.
Yes but perhaps the Con's extremist right wing moralistic law may have a silver lining. That is, with bill C-36 they have gone so far off the rails that it is almost certain to be struck down in its entirety, or at the very least in large part. Therefore, when this occurs the government will have 'nowhere left to go' with this type of restrictive legislation, thus opening the door to decriminalization and regulation by the provinces/municipalities. The only downside is that at this point it is very much a waiting game, so to speak.
 

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A clip I found on YouTube showing the Swedish Police at work:

Prostitution Unit of the Stockholm Police arrests a man buying sex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofRzb5gDBE#t=85

Published on Jul 25, 2014

The Prostitution Unit of the Stockholm Police in Sweden arrests a man for the buying of sex according to the so-called sex purchase law in Sweden which criminalizes the buying of sex but not the selling. Clip was originally broadcasted in the Swedish TV-show called "Crime of the Week" in 2014.
Do you really have to show this?

a reminder of what it's in store for us?

Thanks that's just what we need.
 

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Anybody knows what "consideration" implies in the stupid bill? Does it mean

1 - Paying for sexual activity (sex must have happened),
2 - Attempting to pay for sexual activity (whether it has happened or not)
3 - Even communicating for possible sexual activity (like email or texting)
Consideration is basically something of value. The law prohibits sex for consideration (the actual act) *and* communicating for the purpose of exchanging sex for consideration. Consideration and communication are two separate things. Item #1 and #3 would be illegal under C-36. Item #2 above would be illegal if you communicated with the prostitute about the exchange of sex for money, which would likely be the case.
 

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A clip I found on YouTube showing the Swedish Police at work:

Prostitution Unit of the Stockholm Police arrests a man buying sex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofRzb5gDBE#t=85

Published on Jul 25, 2014

The Prostitution Unit of the Stockholm Police in Sweden arrests a man for the buying of sex according to the so-called sex purchase law in Sweden which criminalizes the buying of sex but not the selling. Clip was originally broadcasted in the Swedish TV-show called "Crime of the Week" in 2014.
Wow, how ridiculous was this arrest. They talk about how she was probably trafficked. Any investigation into that aspect or her alleged pimp? I'm assuming no, because if she had been trafficked or pimped, that aspect would have been in the segment. I would assume they did in fact interview the woman afterwards and she basically told them to F off so all they got was some cheating boyfriend angle. Saving victims? Yeah right.
 

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So does it mean that under the old laws, the canadian cops cannot wait for someone outside the incall apartment to arrest him like the swedish cops did ?
And now back to my previous question: How come that in this video the swedish cops arrested someone just for visiting an incall apartment with no evidence of sex or money exchanged inside the apartment ?
It's about fear and intimidation, notice most plea out to a fine, no trial and this is exactly what they want.
 

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So if this swedish guy used his right to remain silent, could they give him a ticket ? There is no proof against him, just visiting an apartment of an escort, he could remained silent when they asked him what he was doing there or just say that he won't answer any question before talking to a lawyer
Sweden has different legal principles than we do in Canada. They don't have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Under the guise of rebalancing gender power structures, they engage in discrimination against men. Swedes have rights, only AFTER they are charged with an offense.

The Swedish/Nordic model has the selling of sex legal, but everything else is illegal including the buying. In fact, it is worse than what we have right now in Canada, since the buying and selling of sex is still not illegal here.

It is illegal to operate a bawdy house in Sweden, not to mention living off the avails.

What's going to happen is this:

Even if the customer keeps his mouth shut and/or claims that nothing sexual happened, the sex worker is going to face a choice: either

1. cooperate with the police and testify against the customer, or

2. the police will enter her premises under the excuse that she is operating a bawdy house, and collect any evidence against her, especially condoms. Condoms are considered proof of selling sex (and sex having been bought. At the same time, they are going to threaten the landlord of knowingly allowing the operation of a bawdy house. He is going to be forced to evict her so as to avoid criminal charges himself. If the sex-worker has any kids, they are going to contact child protection services (likely run by radical feminists) and take them away for cause of being corrupted.

This stuff is well documented. Too bad this never came up during the parliamentary committee hearings.

This is the face of radical feminism in Sweden. A land of self righteous idiots who think that they are smarter than the rest of us.
 
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