Net Effect of Operation Effective Edge (Gaza) on Terrorism
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Have you seen the truce proposal the Israelis have been leaking?
Once IDF eliminates the Iranian weapons an international force with UN inspectors deploys to Gaza to ensure Hamas does not rearm, Fatah troops take over the border areas with international monitors checking for smuggling, and then the blockade is lifted.
It is a good plan, hopefully Netanyahu will stay the course.
If the UN comes in it should take over all the borders of all the occupied territories.
The chances of them coming in to run the Gaza Ghetto on behalf of Israel is slight.
They run enough refugee camps to take care of Israel's victims already.
Bring in the UN and let them run Gaza and the West Bank borders, including borders with other countries.
That would be the only reasonable option for them.
Obama won't let this run that far, it appears.The elimination of the rockets and the imposition of some system to ensure that Iran cannot replenish them.
UN SC ceasefire was just reported.
Obama is reportedly seriously pissed at Netanyahu.
The leaked Israeli proposal is that the borders of a Gaza on the Palestinian side would be manned by a joint force made up of Fatah and UN observers. Hamas world be banned from the border area. There would also be a UN force tasked with searching for tunnels and hidden rockets.If the UN comes in it should take over all the borders of all the occupied territories.
Under these conditions the border crossings, port if Gaza, and Gaza Airport would open.
This would be done after destroying all the existing Iranian weapons as a strategy to make sure Iran cannot replace them.
Fatah would actually have responsibility but the UN observers would be there to ensure nothing gets smuggled in.
The overall idea is to strengthen the moderate responsible Palestinians and crush the terrorists.
As if that one will fly.The leaked Israeli proposal is that the borders of a Gaza on the Palestinian side would be manned by a joint force made up of Fatah and UN observers. Hamas world be banned from the border area. There would also be a UN force tasked with searching for tunnels and hidden rockets.
Under these conditions the border crossings, port if Gaza, and Gaza Airport would open.
This would be done after destroying all the existing Iranian weapons as a strategy to make sure Iran cannot replace them.
Fatah would actually have responsibility but the UN observers would be there to ensure nothing gets smuggled in.
The overall idea is to strengthen the moderate responsible Palestinians and crush the terrorists.
Kerry is pushing a proposal that works towards enacting the 2012 ceasefire points, which means ending the blockade.
That would be a loss on the Israeli side, but the only one that could possibly point towards peace.
Meanwhile, Turkey is sending another Gaza flotilla, this time with the protection of their navy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607508
Israel would never attack a NATO country.
It will once Hamas has been eliminated. Fatah will agree to it.As if that one will fly.
Hamasv obviously had rejected it because they really don't want to stop attacking Israel.
Note that it does end the blockade. The price for ending the blockade is disarming Hamas.
Hamas won't be eliminated, this one is almost over.It will once Hamas has been eliminated. Fatah will agree to it.
Hamasv obviously had rejected it because they really don't want to stop attacking Israel.
Note that it does end the blockade. The price for ending the blockade is disarming Hamas.
1 million people worldwide protested yesterday.
Kerry and Obama are seriously pissed at Netanyahu.
The UN SC has a plan, distinct from the Israel plan.
Hamas and Fatah would never agree to this plan and neither would the UN.
Israel has fucked itself up big time.
Since the demographics now favour Palestinians, there are more Palestinians living under Israeli rule then Jews, Israel is seriously afraid of equal rights.
But they blew the chance for the two state solution and are too unwilling to give up building settlements or the possibility of Palestinians importing weapons to defend themselves from israeli massacres.
Your only suggestion is the creation of permanent concentration/prison camps in Gaza and through the apartheid West Bank.
That is you sole route to create the country you desire, your only suggestion.
That's fucked up.
Netanyahu may chicken out and call it once all the Palestinian war tunnels are destroyed but that woyld be a mistake. There will never be peace so long a Hamas exists.Hamas won't be eliminated, this one is almost over.
And a NATO navy will never cross into Israeli waters without permission. (and I'll believe the navy will be there when they sail - all we have are IHH claims)...
Meanwhile, Turkey is sending another Gaza flotilla, this time with the protection of their navy.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.607508
Israel would never attack a NATO country.
How fucked up do you have to be to ignore that Palestinians overwhelmingly are opposed to a one state solution where everyone has equal rights. You've been provided the Palestinian polling data time and time again yet you still continue with this farce....
Since the demographics now favour Palestinians, there are more Palestinians living under Israeli rule then Jews, Israel is seriously afraid of equal rights....
That's fucked up.
Are Gaza waters Israel waters?And a NATO navy will never cross into Israeli waters without permission. (and I'll believe the navy will be there when they sail - all we have are IHH claims)
Occupied by Israel. And that occupation is recognized by the UN. So Israel is the sovereign with recognized control of those waters. Moreover it has properly announced a naval blockade which NATO is certainly aware of. Running that blockade would be recognized as an act of war by Turkey against Israel.Are Gaza waters Israel waters?
Note though that in the remote possibility that Turkey starts a war with Israel by attempting to run the naval blockade that NATO is not obliged to help. NATO kicks in only when a NATO member is attacked. Turkey is proposing to be the aggressor here and so could not expect NATO help if Israel sinks their ship.
Occupied by Israel. And that occupation is recognized by the UN. So Israel is the sovereign with recognized control of those waters. Moreover it has properly announced a naval blockade which NATO is certainly aware of. Running that blockade would be recognized as an act of war by Turkey against Israel.
Note though that in the remote possibility that Turkey starts a war with Israel by attempting to run the naval blockade that NATO is not obliged to help. NATO kicks in only when a NATO member is attacked. Turkey is proposing to be the aggressor here and so could not expect NATO help if Israel sinks their ship.
If Turkey brings an aid ship to Gaza and is attacked by Israel NATO would be compelled to come to their defence.
The UN has recognized that the occupation is illegal, as is the blockade, as found by the only UN report to discuss the matter legally.
Turkey joins a growing list of countries that recognize that Israel's actions constitute war crimes.
Nope. Running the blockade would be an act of war by Turkey against Israel. NATO has no obligation to help Turkey attack other countries. NATO is a defensive alliance.If Turkey brings an aid ship to Gaza and is attacked by Israel NATO would be compelled to come to their defence.
The UN has not called either the blockade or the occupation illegal. If these things happen you will learn that your bullshit claim that Richard Falk and/or UNHRC is the whole UN and decides what all nations believe is just that, bullshit. The actual UN believes no such thing.
In any case NATO is under no obligation to agree with the UN. NATO is a separate organization wholly independent of the UN, and NATO and the have very publicly disagreed in the past.
The UN called the blockade illegal.Nope. Running the blockade would be an act of war by Turkey against Israel. NATO has no obligation to help Turkey attack other countries. NATO is a defensive alliance.
The UN has not called either the blockade or the occupation illegal. If these things happen ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-rep...erate-organised-and-institutionalised/5372212
You will learn they were illegal when Netanyahu is called to trial at the ICC.
OH LOOK!!The UN called the blockade illegal.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-rep...erate-organised-and-institutionalised/5372212
You will learn they were illegal when Netanyahu is called to trial at the ICC.
As predicted here you are again pretending Falk is the UN. YOU PATHETIC TROLL.
Have you forgotten that OHCHR says in explicit, clear and irrefutable terms that he is not the UN, that he is "completely independent" and that his work is an input?
Of course you haven't forgotten. You think this is a new thread so you can TRY YOUR LIE AGAIN.
Sorry you don't get to do that, liar. You are blatantly lying. Blatantly. You are a total fraud and everything you say is garbage.
You have been exposed, liar.
Lose you meds again?OH LOOK!!
As predicted here you are again pretending Falk is the UN. YOU PATHETIC TROLL.
The UN rapporteur on Israel is the one who investigates.
His findings represent the UN's findings.
Deal with it.
Just go to the UN page on Israeli human rights issues and read their reports.
Attacking the messenger is just so sad.
So much angry bile to avoid debating why you support apartheid and human rights violations.
So sad.
One would hope that Israel would be too smart to attack a NATO ship delivering aid.....
Especially with these polls:
http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/07/07-28-14_1.png
Especially with these polls:
http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/07/07-28-14_1.png
They won't have to.One would hope that Israel would be too smart to attack a NATO ship delivering aid........
First, I doubt that the navy has even agreed to go. They may have a nutter for a PM but their military still has some rational thinkers.
If they did go, the second they chose to enter Israeli waters without permission would be Turkey committing a belligerent act.
No they don't you pathetic lying troll, OHCHR is explicit and authoritative when it says that he is independent. He does not speak for the UN, and OHCHR posts it for reference not as an endorsement. It says right on the page you are quoting that he is completely independent.The UN rapporteur on Israel is the one who investigates.
His findings represent the UN's findings.
You are totally exposed as a fanatic list who cannot handle the truth. You think you can bluster past this? No way. You hang on this.
I love this topic, you cannot bear to admit "the UN" never said those things and yet the facts are so crystal clear that you expose yourself as a total clown.
