Why are the Israel/Hamas casualties so lopsided?

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Also, you omitted that jews owned only 7% of land in 1947. So 93% of the land was taken during 1948 war.
Oh that lie. Propaganda math that leaves out the fact that the original partition plan also included an Arab population. Israel as originally created had a share of the land exactly equal to its share of the population.

The Arabs should simply have said yes to that plan instead of launching a racist war of aggression to ethnically cleanse the Jews.

Certainly the Arabs lost land in the war they started, and that is a valid way for borders to change. If you don't like losing land in war, don't start wars.
 

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Also, you omitted ,,,
So once again when confronted with facts you shove your head up your butt and hide.

Jews legally bought land from the land's owners. It was not as you say stolen by the British Mandate and sold to Jews.


Would you actually read anything I post if I were to rip apart your most recent misrepresentation?

p.s. How drunk are you right now?
 

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Oh that lie. Propaganda math that leaves out the fact that the original partition plan also included an Arab population. Israel as originally created had a share of the land exactly equal to its share of the population.

The Arabs should simply have said yes to that plan instead of launching a racist war of aggression to ethnically cleanse the Jews.

Certainly the Arabs lost land in the war they started, and that is a valid way for borders to change. If you don't like losing land in war, don't start wars.
Oh that lie, papers show that Ben Gurion and others had plans to drive the Palestinians into the sea before partition.


Regardless of the history, why are you so intent on continually killing Palestinians instead of settling for peace.
Why won't you accept that they should have basic human rights under Israeli rule?
 

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Oh that lie, papers show that Ben Gurion and others had plans to drive the Palestinians into the sea before partition.
Now that is an example of a quote being taken out of context Pappe was slapped by the academic community for making that up, then he subsequently defended his lies by saying the Palestinian cause was more important then the truth.

Is that how you feel too? That the cause is more important then the truth? Is that why you constantly lie about EVERYTHING? Are you a pathological liar or is it some sort of misguided fanaticism?

Just in the last few posts you lied and said I only provided a partial quote from Khalidi, you repeated this lie about Ben Gurion, then tried to weasel out with "regardless of the history".

You aren't entitled to make things up and the truth is more important than your fanaticism.
 

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Now that is an example of a quote being taken out of context Pappe was slapped by the academic community for making that up, then he subsequently defended his lies by saying the Palestinian cause was more important then the truth.

Is that how you feel too? That the cause is more important then the truth? Is that why you constantly lie about EVERYTHING? Are you a pathological liar or is it some sort of misguided fanaticism?

Just in the last few posts you lied and said I only provided a partial quote from Khalidi, you repeated this lie about Ben Gurion, then tried to weasel out with "regardless of the history".

You aren't entitled to make things up and the truth is more important than your fanaticism.

If you could search the political forums properly you'd know you'd be in big trouble.
Its all there, the partial quote you were caught out using, the quotes from Ben Gurion you try to deny.


But its all sideshow and distraction to keep justifying killing more Palestinians.
How long do you think Israel can keep this up?

Do you really want to destroy Hamas and bring in ISIS?
 

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Its all there, the partial quote you were caught out using, the quotes from Ben Gurion you try to deny.
The quote I used says they left voluntarily and when you read the full article it is very clear that is 100% accurate. I have a link to Khalidi, would you like the full text of their letter? They left voluntarily from Haifa that is indisputable.

And Ben Gurion never wrote what Pappe quoted, Pappe altered it and later confessed to lying. Yet despite Pappe being thoroughly discredited as a liar you still went to quote it because it helps you get your hate on.

In any case we have historic proof, some of it even provided by your hate buddy Gryfin, that across the mandate Arabs left before Haganah even arrived in their areas. That were not ethnically cleansed.
 

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Oh that lie, papers show that Ben Gurion and others had plans to drive the Palestinians into the sea before partition.
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Mr. historical inversion talking.

p.s. Why don't you accept that the Palestinians don't want to be Israeli and don't want a one state solution?
 

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The quote I used says they left voluntarily and when you read the full article it is very clear that is 100% accurate. I have a link to Khalidi, would you like the full text of their letter? They left voluntarily from Haifa that is indisputable.

And Ben Gurion never wrote what Pappe quoted, Pappe altered it and later confessed to lying. Yet despite Pappe being thoroughly discredited as a liar you still went to quote it because it helps you get your hate on.

In any case we have historic proof, some of it even provided by your hate buddy Gryfin, that across the mandate Arabs left before Haganah even arrived in their areas. That were not ethnically cleansed.
Go ahead, I'll challenge you.
But this sideshow distraction argument won't stop the reporting on the present atrocities, all it will do is show that Israeli terrorism has been ongoing for over half a century.
Have at it.


In the meantime:
'Only stones remain': Gaza lies in ruins
Palestinians in Gaza have been shocked by the scale of Israeli destruction, as long-term truce efforts continue.
Mohammed Omer Last updated: 27 Jul 2014 11:54



Beit Hanoun, Gaza Strip - Umm Ahmed Abu Sahwish holds stones in her hands. They are now all that’s left of her demolished home. "My home is gone and only stones remain," the 65-year-old says.

Hundreds of homes here have been destroyed, and unexploded Israeli missiles litter the ground at the entrance to the town, at Gaza’s northern tip near the border with Israel. The local hospital, emergency rescue equipment, and infrastructure have also incurred heavy damage from Israeli shelling.

Another woman, from a family of 20 people, cries as she tries to dig through the rubble of her house. "Lifetimes of personal and household belongings are gone, with one Israeli missile. Where can we go? We have no food, water, bedding or extra clothes," she says.



Driving the length of this tiny stretch of land - 1.8 million Palestinians live on Gaza's 360sq km - scenes of devastation are everywhere. The trip from the north to the south of Gaza was only possible during a 12-hour humanitarian ceasefire, agreed to by Israel and Hamas on July 26.

On Sunday, Israel resumed its military operation in Gaza, as the prime minister's office declared: "If residents are inadvertently hit, it is Hamas which is responsible given that it has - again - violated the humanitarian truce that Israel acceded to."

Hamas and other Palestinian factions reportedly agreed to a 24-hour humanitarian truce in the Gaza Strip, starting at 2pm local time on Sunday.

At least 1,052 Palestinians have been killed and more than 6,000 injured since Israel’s military offensive began on July 8. Forty-three Israeli soldiers have also been killed, along with two Israeli civilians and one Thai worker.


In Gaza City, there is little to salvage from beneath the destruction.

The eastern neighbourhood of Shujayea is a ghost town. Electricity cables are sliced and sticking out of the debris of homes. Cars lay burnt out, and human remains are scattered along the streets; the air is thick with the smell of decay. "I am 45 years old, and I have never seen destruction like this," says a resident, who didn’t give Al Jazeera his name.

At least 120 Palestinians were killed and hundreds more injured when Israel heavily bombarded Shujayea overnight on July 21. The ceasefire provided the first opportunity for families to return to their homes to survey the destruction and salvage their belongings.

Ambulance sirens ring out, announcing the discovery of more dead bodies from beneath the rubble. At least 90 bodies were pulled out from the destruction in Shujayea during the ceasefire on Saturday.

"This is more ominous than Sabra and Shatila," says Umm Hesham, referring to the killing of about 2,000 Palestinian refugees in the Beirut-area refugee camps in 1982, as her son helps her avoid stepping on bodies.

Outside Shujayea, on al-Wehda street, traffic is closed off. Residents busied themselves with trying to get food, water, and medicine during the ceasefire. Abu Haytam, a father of eight, stood at a market looking for pasta and lentils. He said he didn’t know what would happen in the coming days: "With electricity out, we can’t buy meat or chicken, it will rot too quickly in the heat," he said.

Nearby, a man selling vegetables was surrounded by customers, while at least 300 men waited for bread at Tal al-Hawa bakery. Banks were crowded, while money wire centres were overflowing with people clamouring to get cash.

RELATED: 'The smell of death was everywhere'

There are two roads linking north and south Gaza: Saladin Road and Beach Road. Both are damaged; the former from Israeli tank shells and the latter from the Israeli warships lining the coast.

The [Israeli-Egyptian] siege has hit every aspect of life... But Israel sees no humanitarian need [to lift the siege].

- Abuel Bara, Rafah

Along Saladin road, dairies and a local beverage factory are destroyed, while technical teams worked to restore power to electricity and water installations. Al Aqsa hospital in Deir el-Balah is damaged after Israeli strikes hit the operating theatre and the radiology department, killing five people and injuring more than 70 others on July 21.

In Khan Younes, a burnt-out crater leaves a gaping hole on the main road, the aftermath of an Israeli F16 missile strike. The residents of nearby Khuzaa, which was under heavy Israeli bombardment, are sleeping on the streets. Access to water is extremely difficult; a man who generally sells water tanks for 15 NIS ($4) is now asking for 100 NIS ($29).

The road to Rafah, at Gaza’s southernmost end, is equally precarious.

Two days ahead of Eid al-Fitr, the celebration marking the end of the holy month of Ramadan, Dahra market in Khan Younes is buzzing with activity, but no one is in the mood to celebrate. Most are only there to stock up on supplies.

But in Rafah, a barbershop is full of young people getting haircuts. Spirits are high, but talk quickly turns to stories of death and destruction. The youth are also criticising neighbouring Egypt for not opening the Rafah border crossing, only a few hundred metres away.

"The [Israeli-Egyptian] siege has hit every aspect of life; spare parts for my shaving machine are unavailable," says 29-year-old barber Abuel Bara. "Before we would buy it from tunnel merchants, but tunnels are now closed."

The machine provides the only income to feed his two daughters, wife, parents and siblings, he says. "But Israel sees no humanitarian need [to lift the siege]."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-lies-ruins-israel-war-201472794647457501.html


This time Netanyahu has clearly gone way, way too far.
 

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Your idiotic lies about Khalidi are debunked on the other thread.

As for Netanyahu, he is enjoying around 80% support in Israel right now and hasn't gone nearly far enough. Hopefully he has the fortitude to hold the course until the military wing of Hamas is completely annihilated. Then we can bring in international peacekeepers to ensure that no more rockets are smuggled in to Gaza, and at that point lasting peace has a real chance.
 

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Your idiotic lies about Khalidi are debunked on the other thread.
As usual, afraid to back up your claims.
Typical, troll.

As for Netanyahu, he is enjoying around 80% support in Israel right now and hasn't gone nearly far enough. Hopefully he has the fortitude to hold the course until the military wing of Hamas is completely annihilated. Then we can bring in international peacekeepers to ensure that no more rockets are smuggled in to Gaza, and at that point lasting peace has a real chance.
How many militants do you think this will require killing?
 

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How many militants do you think this will require killing?
IDF are the professionals, I will let them figure that out.

But if it becomes a house to house battle I can see this going to ten or twenty thousand casualties on the Palestinian side and hundreds of IDF dead.

If that is what it takes to destroy Hamas so be it.
 

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IDF are the professionals, I will let them figure that out.

But if it becomes a house to house battle I can see this going to ten or twenty thousand casualties on the Palestinian side and hundreds of IDF dead.

If that is what it takes to destroy Hamas so be it.
Given the present ratios, you are either arguing for the death of 15,000 civilians or 80,000 dead civilians (depending on whether your 20,000 number is militants or total deaths).
That is really fucked up.

And given Israel's destruction of civilian infrastructure like water, sewage and power, the deaths in Gaza would be three or four times that as well.

You really are on a mission to make Israel number one, aren't you?
Number one pariah state, toppling North Korea....
 

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Just a bunch of jibber jabber. You really must be upset that your favorite terrorist organization is getting hammered.
 
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