Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)
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Read somewhere that maybe the only option for Harper after the Bill is dead and he will have to implement the New Zealand model. I think I will take up new hobby for 5-10 years until this happens.I have a feeling this stupid proposed law will get challenged by SCC and meet a quick death.
In its place will come some form of legalization. Maybe New Zealand model
Just getting myself caught up on all this. From the research/readings, it looks like this law will most likely go through; anyone agree with me? At the same time it seems way too extreme and it is unconstitutional. Whatever the case may be we will find out in 13 days.
Hence the reason this law is fucking retarded. To pass it means the sex workers safety is comprimised.there will still be customers, just Johns who don't give a crap about breaking the law, don't give a crap about a job losing a crap job and don't give a crap about taking a shower
Same here. Is this law most likey to go through?Just getting myself caught up on all this. From the research/readings, it looks like this law will most likely go through; anyone agree with me? At the same time it seems way too extreme and it is unconstitutional. Whatever the case may be we will find out in 13 days.
One very true assessment.Just getting myself caught up on all this. From the research/readings, it looks like this law will most likely go through; anyone agree with me? At the same time it seems way too extreme and it is unconstitutional. Whatever the case may be we will find out in 13 days.
http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...kays-prostitution-law-a-failure-on-all-counts
The question now to be answered is, how will it get to the SCC?I have a feeling this stupid proposed law will get challenged by SCC and meet a quick death.
In its place will come some form of legalization. Maybe New Zealand model
Thats the million dollar question. Will Alan Young see this all the way through, or will he quit?? AFAIK he was working Pro Bono on this when it first started, is he willing to do it again??The question now to be answered is, how will it get to the SCC?
I dunno. Lets hope so
Lol. Under that scenario - the only option of the PC gov't likely would be to allow full legalization (I believe the party has admitted the same).Very pleasant feeling. I wish I share that feeling too.
As I understand it the only way for a quick challenge is if the government itself refers it to SCC (as NDP asked for) and this government will very unlikely to do that because they know it will be ruled against and they will be embarrassed.
Jeezus christ, are you being serious?? Then I'm DEFINITELY out of the game.And somebody was mentioning addition to sex offender registry as well?
Adios, suckers
Fox theorized that, but it doesn't say so in the legislation.Jeezus christ, are you being serious?? Then I'm DEFINITELY out of the game.
Adios, suckers
Wait a minute though. Doesn't LE advertise those arrested on prostitution in the States? Would they set up a registry for that here?
No matter how you slice it, the Harper majority Gov't will push this bill thru! Yes it's a stupid bill. It is a cleverly worded document to allow an SP to work in her home and to advertise her services by herself and to pay for those ads herself. Note the Gov't at some point can demand to see who is paying for those ads with this new legislation and therefore be able to identify an SP, a pimp or other people in the industry. The irony is that the SP can sell sex, but who is going to buy now that it will be illegal to purchase, with the threat of a criminal record on your person??? This is a lose lose situation on all counts.
I have no doubt it will be passed very quickly and I have no doubt it will also be challenged at the Supreme Court level again. The problem is that the case won't get back to the Supreme Court for about 5 years during which time it will be in full effect. So the game changes now boys and girls. How do we continue to play and not get caught, arrested, charged, and convicted?????
Are we going to do the deed first to ensure it is not LE undercover and then pay after the fact once we are certain it is a legitimate SP? This is the only thing I can think of unless you are visiting a regular and know it is safe. Incall services at agencies will all be under scrutiny and their locations will be deemed common bawdy houses, you will not want to be caught in one of them for any reason.
So where do we, the players go from here? Your suggestions are welcome about how to continue playing the game in a safe manner.
And remember, undercover LE do not have to admit they are Police when you ask them the question. Many people mistakenly believe an undercover cop has to admit they are undercover. NOT SO!!!!
I have no doubt it will be passed very quickly and I have no doubt it will also be challenged at the Supreme Court level again. The problem is that the case won't get back to the Supreme Court for about 5 years during which time it will be in full effect. So the game changes now boys and girls. How do we continue to play and not get caught, arrested, charged, and convicted?????
Are we going to do the deed first to ensure it is not LE undercover and then pay after the fact once we are certain it is a legitimate SP? This is the only thing I can think of unless you are visiting a regular and know it is safe. Incall services at agencies will all be under scrutiny and their locations will be deemed common bawdy houses, you will not want to be caught in one of them for any reason.
So where do we, the players go from here? Your suggestions are welcome about how to continue playing the game in a safe manner.
And remember, undercover LE do not have to admit they are Police when you ask them the question. Many people mistakenly believe an undercover cop has to admit they are undercover. NOT SO!!!!
My plan is to save money to travel more to Europe and NZ where it's legal . It looks that this bill doesn't apply to canadian citizens traveling overseas .
In Europe it's very cheap : 50 euros for 30 minutes so you save a lot of money for flights+hotel
Viva La Revolucion (Cuba)
It's actually and unfortunately larger as (4) on page 18-19 is:
(4) The definition “designated offence” in subsection 490.011(1) of the Act is amended by adding the following after subparagraph (b)(ix):
(ix.1) subsection 286.1(1) (obtaining sexual services for consideration),
(ix.2) subsection 286.2(1) (material benefit from sexual services),
(ix.3) subsection 286.3(1) (procuring),
So we are on a John Registry too? [Edit: For under-age providers. Ah, okay that's fine.]
No, it never would. Anywhere else, you're subject to their laws, not ours.It looks that this bill doesn't apply to canadian citizens traveling overseas .
I hate to say this and fear mongering but the fact is a sex worker is going to get beaten or even worst murdered under this new law before it is challenged and struck down. At least in the opinion of Katrina Pacey of Pivot Legal Society. Watch the video.
Can somebody with a legal background advise whether the MP's in Parliament, after being warned by the SCC to decrease the threat to sex workers decided to tell the SCC to fuck off and then vote to pass a law that increases the threat, could be charged as co-conspirators in the murder of the sex worker or are Members of Parliament protected against any criminal activity they encourage through their stupidity. Also wondering whether the trafficking in persons law could be applicable against the MP's if a sex worker is trafficked from a comfortable career back into minimum wage jobs against her will by those voting in favour of Bill C-36. Such charges would need a lawyer other than a Crown Attorney who could prosecute the MP's.
Not really sure where to begin here. For all the shit the conservatives are getting, they are not trying to kill anyone. They are attempting to regulate morality and to some degree play some politics. Both these things are quite normal and the fact it may endanger some people is an unintended consequence.I hate to say this and fear mongering but the fact is a sex worker is going to get beaten or even worst murdered under this new law before it is challenged and struck down. At least in the opinion of Katrina Pacey of Pivot Legal Society. Watch the video.
Can somebody with a legal background advise whether the MP's in Parliament, after being warned by the SCC to decrease the threat to sex workers decided to tell the SCC to fuck off and then vote to pass a law that increases the threat, could be charged as co-conspirators in the murder of the sex worker or are Members of Parliament protected against any criminal activity they encourage through their stupidity. Also wondering whether the trafficking in persons law could be applicable against the MP's if a sex worker is trafficked from a comfortable career back into minimum wage jobs against her will by those voting in favour of Bill C-36. Such charges would need a lawyer other than a Crown Attorney who could prosecute the MP's.
I have worked before to develop government policy and what you learn is that you ask 3 questions:
1) Why are we doing it?
2) Can we do it?
3) Should we do it?
The answer to the first 2 questions the conservatives have made quite publicly clear. It really is the last question that is obviously quite controversial. Getting back to your original question, even though many people don't like this policy - Most don't believe the main objective is to endanger and kill sex workers. Whenever a government makes any policy, there are obviously some people that win and some people that loose. Especially in this case, as this is an odd criminal law that is actually a regulatory law in disguise. While you could argue, no one is actually getting hurt by allowing prostitution, the governments argument is really that prostitution hurts society and therefore they need to regulate public morals. Again, I don't agree with the position but I am just explaining the rationale.
That wouldnt surprise me at all if they did that.Fox theorized that, but it doesn't say so in the legislation.
Wait a minute though. Doesn't LE advertise those arrested on prostitution in the States? Would they set up a registry for that here?
Heck, you dont even LE to do that, there's plenty of private citizen groups who are willing to NOT mind their own business and start up websites outing arrested Johns (complete with facebook pics and everything).
There is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiF58ljMcM5XCoZuSy8SaNQ
http://johntv.com/
But there's others as well:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dai...e-shame-campaign-against-local-203343871.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/po...se-information-of-prostitution-cases/22437388
https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/communitypolicing/familyprotection/prostitution/reportajohnform.aspx
http://richmondstandard.com/2014/03/richmond-police-send-warning-letters-homes-johns/
And so on.....and so on
sex tourism is going to skyrocket if the johns can't hobby here, they'll just go abroad that's what they do in the states, and Sweden, and pretty much everywhere else where it's criminalized.No, it never would. Anywhere else, you're subject to their laws, not ours.
Maybe we should all get a tour group together and book a trip to Germany for the week lol
To be quite honest. The quality of escorts lately has taken a real nosedive. Sure, prices are going down,So where do we, the players go from here? Your suggestions are welcome about how to continue playing the game in a safe manner.
And remember, undercover LE do not have to admit they are Police when you ask them the question. Many people mistakenly believe an undercover cop has to admit they are undercover. NOT SO!!!!
but so is service. Onetime, I paid an escort $260 for an hour...she was literally out the door in less than 15 minutes.
I've had some escorts flat out rob me. I paid them, they leave the room...I wait there for about 10 minutes,
I go out to see and she's on the couch on her cell...she looks at me and says (paraphrasing)
"Thank you for coming, I have someone else coming soon."
What am I to do? Ask for my money back? Make a fuss about it? Don't leave until I get my money?
Why not write a bad review online? Sure, and she's got my number and can probably get a pic
of me from the surveillance cameras. Post that online and come after me.
What guy here is willing to 'risk' his privacy as is with the current 'freedoms' we have? Answer: None.
So, I did what too many guys would do: Quietly put my pants/shoes on and leave.
I'm actually thinking about dating 'non-sp' women again...but they are really a pain to deal with.
What I would give for an escort who actually delivers on what she fucking advertises on. 60 minutes is 60 f'ing minutes!
