http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...in-empty-city-hall-on-easter-monday-security/
Who was that young woman who spent an hour with Rob late one night in his office?
Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)
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Who was that young woman who spent an hour with Rob late one night in his office?
A person charged always has standing to argue that their own Charter rights were violated by the specific actions of the LE.
A person can also, at trial, argue that the law itself, is illegal and therefore, is of no force or effect. The illegality of the law can be based on whatever reason, not just that it violates that person's Charter rights. These usually fail because by the time a law is enacted, it has been analyzed to death and shouldn't be unconstitutional. But a person is always free to try this line of argumentation.
I find it sad that people are practicing lines for their day in court. You guys do know that people arrested for breaking a law have no expectation of anonymity and are named in the papers(which have online versions and therefore, you're now infamous for all eternity)?
A successful challenge might be raised by the providers (just like Bradford) and/or an arrested client under SECTION 15(1) of the Charter which deals
with equality and the right of equal protection and equal benefit under the law regardless of race .......... SEX, ..........."etc".
Section 15(2) allows an exception to equal treatment if the goal is to ameliorate conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups ........... "etc".
There is no question the mainly male clientele are being discriminated against here and probably the still legal female providers as well since they
cannot freely communicate with their clients without fear that they will lose business due to the arrest of their client. The law is telling them they
can freely carry on business but at the same time trying to eliminate their customer base.
It's also hard to see how the providers can really be considered a disadvantaged group if enough of them are willing to present themselves as
basically nothing more than business women just trying to make a good living and get ahead in life like the rest of us. I thought that would
be the approach the providers would take from the start, but they seem to have not pushed the issue.
I think this discrimination issue has been brought up before with no clear agreement as to what the legal result might be.
with equality and the right of equal protection and equal benefit under the law regardless of race .......... SEX, ..........."etc".
Section 15(2) allows an exception to equal treatment if the goal is to ameliorate conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups ........... "etc".
There is no question the mainly male clientele are being discriminated against here and probably the still legal female providers as well since they
cannot freely communicate with their clients without fear that they will lose business due to the arrest of their client. The law is telling them they
can freely carry on business but at the same time trying to eliminate their customer base.
It's also hard to see how the providers can really be considered a disadvantaged group if enough of them are willing to present themselves as
basically nothing more than business women just trying to make a good living and get ahead in life like the rest of us. I thought that would
be the approach the providers would take from the start, but they seem to have not pushed the issue.
I think this discrimination issue has been brought up before with no clear agreement as to what the legal result might be.
And that is only if you are charged.
Once convicted, try travelling with a criminal record, you can be denied entry into the US or other countries, get put in your car or plane and told to go home. Feel free to rehearse your lines for the border guard why you should be let in...
A charter defence requires good lawyers. Good lawyers usually cost lots of money with no guarantee you will win. The chances of getting a free lawyer is slim. Will you escape being noticed by the media if you start to clear the first hurdles (the crown appeals would be instant if you did). Dumping $100k in legal fees? Cheaper and safer to go to Amsterdam.
Respectfully, this forum is A) considered to be a safe space to discuss such issues, and B) comprised of escort aficionados. I very much doubt that such a frank discussion would take place anywhere else.
I've scanned the comment sections of many major articles on this issue to date and not one commenter has come within twenty feet of revealing that they purchase sexual services. So, once again, respectfully, I believe that the tenor of this discussion in this forum is likely the closest that you are going to get to the truth.
Despite the outrage (which always subsides in life), I don't believe I've seen one client commenter on this site ( and I've been reading for about 20 minutes) say anything to the effect that they will ignore the law if implemented. Don't get me wrong, they're trying to figure it out, but so far they have come up empty.
This is the place where the good clients come from. This is significant.
The ambiguity of this legislation ( and probably done purposefully, but it doesn't change it's reality), takes the experince of an impulse luxury delight, to a stressful, fear filled experience that will require steps and hoops to jump through to just feel somewhat confident that the law is satisfied, but will not be exempt from the risk prosecution, no matter how unfounded.
I admire you optimism.
I admire you tenacity on the issue.
I admire your creativity in searching for solution.
I admire your understanding that this has not received Royal Assent.
I admire your breasts in that Jays jersey above all.
.... but at the end of the day, if the customer is freaked out, and for the most part think that the juice is not worth the squeeze, industries as once constructed go away.
Yep. Thats exactly why it was written that way. The want to stop it as completely as possible, the SPs are the victims so don't touch them. They are only there because of the johns who are the cause of all the problems anyway.This proposed law is as illogical as passing a law that says it is legal to sell beer but is illegal to buy it. Defies common sense.
No customers = no SPs, all problems with prostitution solved.
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So beautiful to read the truth revealed in one simple sentence.
After Bedford @AfterBedford · 2h
"child pornography" shouldn't grouped in the same sections of our CC with adult "advertisements of sexual services" Because LOGIC. #BillC36
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After Bedford @AfterBedford · 2h
That #BillC36 ref's sections of our CC that are "Offences Tending to Corrupt Morals" is telling. This isn't about safety of sexworkers.
"child pornography" shouldn't grouped in the same sections of our CC with adult "advertisements of sexual services" Because LOGIC. #BillC36
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After Bedford @AfterBedford · 2h
That #BillC36 ref's sections of our CC that are "Offences Tending to Corrupt Morals" is telling. This isn't about safety of sexworkers.
For the past years in calls have always been illegal and its a criminal offence if found in a bawdy house. That didn't stop ladies from offering them or men coming to them.They will be legal December 2014. We were always taking a chance of getting a record. Its a bill it hasn't been passed.
Already first arrests have been made (although these are the good type of arrests):
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/06/20140606-161444.html
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/06/20140606-161444.html
there will still be customers, just Johns who don't give a crap about breaking the law, don't give a crap about a job losing a crap job and don't give a crap about taking a shower
They got me at sex workers are able to advertise their own work. Their work being sexual services.
But it's illegal to advertise sexual services and you could be jailed for 5yrs or fined $5000.
Am I just stupid?
But it's illegal to advertise sexual services and you could be jailed for 5yrs or fined $5000.
Am I just stupid?
