Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)

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Escorts start advertising $250 gourmet muffins and throw in the sex for free.
Good one...but I wonder if you haven't predicted the way services will be advertised in the future. Look at the old telephone boxes in the UK....didn't they offer things like "expert knob polishing" etc?
 

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Do you have any idea of the logistical nightmare your worst case scenario would be to implement? Oh right, you're too busy prothletizing to put any logical thought behind what you write. Guess what, the people who "favour" these Ganges mean nothing, they aren't the ones enforcing, so settle down Orwell.
I'll be honest, I'm confused.

Are we fucked? Or not?
 

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Amen.

To those saying "unnecessary panic" and so on: yeah you're right, its ONLY 5 years in prison and a criminal record!
Uh huh...so why are you still here? It's over. The hobby is dead. Go home. When you get there, grab yourself a copy of the criminal code and take a look at the list of things one "could" go to jail/get a record for. After you make a little dookie in your shorts out of sheer terror, remember that can and do don't always meet in the middle

Complete aside, didn't mean to post twice. This shit ain't so easy on the phone with the daily midnight terb slowdown
 

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I will only say this.

I went to Osgoode Hall Law School, where Alan Young (the lawyer in Bedford) teaches. I will be called to the bar in two weeks. If this bill passes, I will offer up my services pro bono to get it before the SCC.
 

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This a bill made by the Harper government to discredit the Supreme Court of Canada and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This bill will eventually be challenged in the Supreme Court and it will be ruled in violation of the charter. If the Harper government is still in power they will use this as an example of majors changes that have to be made to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile we will all have to decide if we want to be pawns in the game.

On a side note, I do find it somewhat comical that the Conservatives received incredible support on this website previous to the last election. If you voted for them in the last election will you still vote for them despite them trying to abolish your hobby or trade?
 

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Wishful thinking. The SCC does not review laws. It reviews cases. Someone has to be charged under this law, face criminal conviction, and fight it all the way to the SCC.

Who is going to step up to the plate? Who will pay the many tens of thousands in legal costs?

It may take ten or twenty years for a case to reach the supreme court. In that time thousands will be prosecuted and convicted, not have the bankroll to appeal, and their criminal records will stand even if the law is later overturned.
It will not take 10 or 20 years. More like 3 or 4. And there's always the possibility that a new federal government would not appeal a successful challenge at a lower court level, and instead draft a law that has some hope of standing up to constitutional challenge. Until that happens though, police forces in Canada -- at least the most bloated, overstaffed ones like York Region -- will have free reign to enforce some of the most repressive anti-sex laws anywhere in the western world.
 

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Ok honestly guys...this is politics, nothing more. That had to do something so they did. The point is still trafficking and exploitation. Street walkers are fucked but how many of you see them? A couple people will get arrested, very publicly oat likely, so they can get the pr and then the status quo returns. Established agencies and indies, and their clients, have nothing to worry about. Also, I could see motels being "targeted", briefly, but not hotels. I wouldn`t go near dundas and 427...but I wouldn`t have anyway. I`d probably also stay away from fresh faces on bp with even a nominal hint of tgtbt to them. Beyond that, there`s a whole lotta unnecessary panic going on.
Dude, have you even read the legislation?

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?484400-Bill-C-36-tabled-(New-Prostitution-Law)/page2

I wish I was wrong, but the government`s stated intent is to wipe the hobby out of existence, and they are trying pretty hard to do so by coming at it from supply and demand ends. Unless someone is willing to be a martyr for the cause, get charged under the new law, and take it to the SCC at their own expense, things do not look so good right now for us.
 

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It will not take 10 or 20 years. More like 3 or 4. And there's always the possibility that a new federal government would not appeal a successful challenge at a lower court level, and instead draft a law that has some hope of standing up to constitutional challenge. Until that happens though, police forces in Canada -- at least the most bloated, overstaffed ones like York Region -- will have free reign to enforce some of the most repressive anti-sex laws anywhere in the western world.
I'll give you that one; my days at 7 and Leslie are over until I see the lay of the land.
 

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Dude, have you even read the legislation?

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?484400-Bill-C-36-tabled-(New-Prostitution-Law)/page2

I wish I was wrong, but the government`s stated intent is to wipe the hobby out of existence, and they are trying pretty hard to do so by coming at it from supply and demand ends. Unless someone is willing to be a martyr for the cause, get charged under the new law, and take it to the SCC at their own expense, things do not look so good right now for us.
Have you ever read another piece of legislation? I have as it happens...theory and practice are rarely intimate with one another. Stated intent? Really? What was he supposed to say? Of course that`s the stated intent.
Btw, not like this shit was legal last year...

Anyway, the scared will be scared, the angry will be angry, I can`t see anyone changing their mind simply because I was gracious enough to drop some knowledge and practical thought process up in here. We`ll see how bad, or not, this gets soon enough
 

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This a bill made by the Harper government to discredit the Supreme Court of Canada and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This bill will eventually be challenged in the Supreme Court and it will be ruled in violation of the charter. If the Harper government is still in power they will use this as an example of majors changes that have to be made to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile we will all have to decide if we want to be pawns in the game.

On a side note, I do find it somewhat comical that the Conservatives received incredible support on this website previous to the last election. If you voted for them in the last election will you still vote for them despite them trying to abolish your hobby or trade?
No guarantee this will happen. What if Harper adds a couple more social conservative or feminist types to the bench in those years? Yes, many supported the Conservatives, however everything I have heard from young Trudeau on this issue would indicate that if he were in power things right now would be not much different - "In French, Trudeau went further, saying it's important to recognize that "prostitution itself is a form of violence against women." ( http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...oposal-to-regulate-tax-prostitution-1.2500357 )

The sad truth is, we have no friends in any political party.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the first Bill got struck down by the SCC and the SCC told the Harper Gov to come up a new one for them to review?
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the first Bill got struck down by the SCC and the SCC told the Harper Gov to come up a new one for them to review?
No, they said the govt, need to replace current laws as they would be invalid in 1 year.
 

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Parliament goes on summer break on June 20th so this will be passed by then.
 

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How people on this board could want yet another conservative govt is beyond me... what a shit show.
 

lovelatinas

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How people on this board could want yet another conservative govt is beyond me... what a shit show.
October 19, 2015, circle that date. The next federal election and it our chance to make the conservatives pay the ultimate price for this shit show.
 

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How people on this board could want yet another conservative govt is beyond me... what a shit show.
Because unfortunately, the other parties with their feminist influences would be no better for us.
 

gettingdown

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No guarantee this will happen. What if Harper adds a couple more social conservative or feminist types to the bench in those years? Yes, many supported the Conservatives, however everything I have heard from young Trudeau on this issue would indicate that if he were in power things right now would be not much different - "In French, Trudeau went further, saying it's important to recognize that "prostitution itself is a form of violence against women." ( http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...oposal-to-regulate-tax-prostitution-1.2500357 )

The sad truth is, we have no friends in any political party.
Good point but young Trudeau is unlikely to challenge the Charter rulings. He is the one who said he welcomes mp's to voice opinions except on Charter issues where the Liberals should all be united on.
 

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Have you ever read another piece of legislation? I have as it happens...theory and practice are rarely intimate with one another. Stated intent? Really? What was he supposed to say? Of course that's the stated intent.
Btw, not like this shit was legal last year...

Anyway, the scared will be scared, the angry will be angry, I can't see anyone changing their mind simply because I was gracious enough to drop some knowledge and practical thought process up in here. We'll see how bad, or not, this gets soon enough
I admire your optimism, and truly hope you are correct.

For me, once this legislation is passed into law I will be retiring.
 
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