Apartheid analogy common among Israel's left

[fuji]

I've already supplied UN documents showing that rapporteurs report to the UN and publicly.

Yes they do, but your lying claim before was that they speak for the UN, and not that they merely send public reports to the UN.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/SP/Pages/Introduction.aspx

That OHCHR quote reiterates what his mandate says: that he investigates and then reports to the UN. It clearly does NOT say he speaks for the UN. It also explicitly states that the formal mandates enacted in resolutions define the authority and duties of a Special Rapporteur, you know, the resolution I quoted that proved he does not speak for the UN.

So are you admitting that speaking for the UN is not part of his mandate?

Or are you just spamming random things to pretend you still have an argument to make?

 

[groggy]

Yes they do, but your lying claim before was that they speak for the UN, and not that they merely send public reports to the UN.

As they do:

engage in advocacy, raise public awareness,

And as said on the page where Falks reports are available:

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territory (OHCHR oPt) is a field presence of the Office of United Nations the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). OHCHR oPt is the only internationally-mandated entity to monitor and report publicly on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), and is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt. The Office is based in Ramallah and has a sub-office in Gaza, and field offices in East Jerusalem and Hebron.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/MENARegion/Pages/PSIndex.aspx
And the first report on that page:
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14578&LangID=E


You are full of shit, sir.

 

[fuji]

Do you even understand that you are lying? Or are you just so fucking incredibly stupid that you actually didn't even read what you quoted?

1. "Engage in advocacy, raise public awareness" does not mean that he speaks for the UN, are you completely fucking illiterate????

2. Falk does not work for OHCHR, so the second quote isn't relevant here

Meanwhile, as OHCHR said in your quote, his mandate is definitive, and it DOES NOT include any capacity in which he represents the UN or speaks for the UN. He sends reports to the UN.

 

[groggy]

Meanwhile, as OHCHR said in your quote, his mandate is definitive, and it DOES NOT include any capacity in which he represents the UN or speaks for the UN. He sends reports to the UN.

His reports are published on the page linked above, whose mandate is clearly stated as:

OHCHR oPt is the only internationally-mandated entity to monitor and report publicly on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), and is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.

Those reports, including the ones from Falk, are therefore the words of the 'official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt'.

Time for you to write them another of your bile filled angry letters, I suggest you use the word 'moron' a lot, it really does show them.
Tell them that Falk's reports shouldn't be up there, since its outside of his mandate, then tell them that Falk is a 'moron' as well.

Let me know how it goes, I could use a good laugh.


You are still full of shit.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

His reports are published on the page linked above, whose mandate is clearly stated as:

Falk does not work for UN OHCHR and not everything on their website is the view of the UN. They post up a lot of material.

You are truly a pathetic clown.

One thing they did point out, which you helpfully quoted, was that his mandate is defined by the resolution I posted.

His mandate DOES NOT entitle him to speak on behalf of the UN, and OHCHR making stuff available on their website does not supercede that.

Highlighting what the General Assembly has said is one of OHCHR's many roles, but that is not what they are doing when they post up non UN statements on their website.

 

[groggy]

Falk does not work for UN OHCHR and not everything on their website is the view of the UN.

The UN OHCHR is the official voice of the UN on human rights issues in Israel and Palestine.
The papers published on their site are the reports they support and are therefore the official voice of the UN on the matter.

Israel has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.

 

[fuji]

The papers published on their site are the reports they support and are therefore the official voice of the UN on the matter.

You know you are lying again, don't you?

Where have that said that everything posted to their website is the official view of the UN GA? Where have they said that they even agree with the reference material they make available?

There is no such statement. You just made this up, and it is obviously wrong when you go look at all the non UN stuff they make available on their website.

You also do not understand their role. They do not make up UN policy. Their role as voice of the UN is to highlight the contents of resolutions passed by the General Assembly, not make up new policy. They post material in their other role as a facilitator for various human rights groups, but that doesn't make everyone they work with the voice of the UN!

Why do you feel entitled to lie?

 

[groggy]

You know you are lying again, don't you?

Where have that said that everything posted to their website is the official view of the UN GA?

Right here:

OHCHR oPt is the only internationally-mandated entity to monitor and report publicly on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), and is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.

That's on the same page as Falk's reports.


The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Are you functionally illiterate?

That does NOT say they agree with everything they make available on their website. They post up lots of clearly non UN material on a regular basis.

They have NOT claimed Falk's statement as their own. In fact, the report appears under this explanation: "Their tasks are defined in the resolutions creating or extending their mandates." That mandate clearly excludes Falk from speaking on behalf of the UN. You can't reference the report being on that webpage, without taking into account what that webpage says!!!!!

Oh and in case it isn't spelled out well enough for you, OHCHR put this on their website too, with respect to Special Rapporteurs: "They are not United Nations staff members and do not receive financial remuneration. The independent status of the mandate holders is crucial in order to be able to fulfil their functions in all impartiality." See that word independent? That means the views of the Special Rapporteurs are NOT the views of OHCHR or of the UN, but independent views.

You have gone full clown.

 

[groggy]

That does NOT say they agree with everything they make available on their website. They post up lots of clearly non UN material on a regular basis.

They have NOT claimed Falk's statement as their own. In fact, the report appears under this explanation: "Their tasks are defined in the resolutions creating or extending their mandates." That mandate clearly excludes Falk from speaking on behalf of the UN. You can't reference the report being on that webpage, without taking into account what that webpage says!!!!!

Oh and in case it isn't spelled out well enough for you, OHCHR put this on their website too, with respect to Special Rapporteurs: "They are not United Nations staff members and do not receive financial remuneration. The independent status of the mandate holders is crucial in order to be able to fulfil their functions in all impartiality." See that word independent? That means the views of the Special Rapporteurs are NOT the views of OHCHR or of the UN, but independent views.

Is that all you've got left?
Trying to argue that because Falk's appointment was independent to guarantee impartiality he therefore doesn't speak for the UN?
Thats a really pathetic argument.
One of your worst yet.

His very independence means that the OHCHR has the choice to publish or not publish his reports.
They choose to publish them at the top of their page.

The OH CHR has taken his report, calling Israel apartheid, and placed it on their front page.
The official voice of the UN on human rights in Israel published and promotes reports saying that Israel is apartheid.

You lose.


You better write them that angry letter, don't forget to call them clowns and morons, since its all you've got left.
I'm sure that once you've done that and then defended shooting more children you can rest easy that your nationalist goals are slowly coming together.
Sicko.

 

[fuji]

Is that all you've got left?
Trying to argue that because Falk's appointment was independent to guarantee impartiality he therefore doesn't speak for the UN?

In fact his definitive mandate clearly does not entitle him to speak for the UN, and OHCHR simply reiterates that on their website.

OHCHR puts copies of all the reports by all the Special Rapporteurs on their website, underneath a statement they the reports are independent.

What are you even still trying to debate? You are just making a bigger fool of yourself obviously refusing to accept first facts.

Does it make your head pop that Falk does not speak for the UN?

 

[groggy]

In fact his definitive mandate clearly does not entitle him to speak for the UN, and OHCHR simply reiterates that on their website. OHCHR puts copies of all the reports by all the Special Rapporteurs on their website, underneath a statement they the reports are independent. What are you even still trying to debate? You are just making a bigger fool of yourself obviously refusing to accept first facts. Does it make your head pop that Falk does not speak for the UN?

Did you write your angry letter yet ?

Cuz I just went to the UN site again, the one that says it's the voice for the UN on Israel human rights issues and read the report with UN letterhead that calls Israel Apartheid.

It's still there.
In your next letter try using all caps when you call the morons.
Maybe that will do it.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Did you write your angry letter yet ?

Cuz I just went to the UN site again, the one that says it's the voice for the UN on Israel human rights issues and read the report with UN letterhead that calls Israel Apartheid.

It's still there.
In your next letter try using all caps when you call the morons.
Maybe that will do it.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

Now you are just playing desperate and pathetic clown games.

The site reiterates that he is independent, not a UN employee, and explicitly states that his mandate defines his role.

Posting up all the reports by all the special rapporteurs, along with tons if other reference material, does not mean that they are stating the UN agrees.

You are just a pathetic lying clown. It has been proved in detail that he does not speak for the UN.

 

[groggy]

Now you are just playing desperate and pathetic clown games. The site reiterates that he is independent, not a UN employee, and explicitly states that his mandate defines his role. Posting up all the reports by all the special rapporteurs, along with tons if other reference material, does not mean that they are stating the UN agrees. You are just a pathetic lying clown. It has been proved in detail that he does not speak for the UN.

Is that the best you've got?

Arguing that just because its a UN report on the site for human rights issues it doesn't count because he's not an employee?

That is idiotic.

Anyone who goes to look for UN reports on Israel human rights issues will find that report with UN letterhead by an impartial and independent rapporteur stating that Israel is apartheid.

That is the reality, to argue anything else is so ridiculous as to shame any decent human being.

 

[fuji]

Is that the best you've got?

Arguing that just because its a UN report on the site for human rights issues it doesn't count because he's not an employee?

That is idiotic.

Anyone who goes to look for UN reports on Israel human rights issues will find that report with UN letterhead by an impartial and independent rapporteur stating that Israel is apartheid.

That is the reality, to argue anything else is so ridiculous as to shame any decent human being.

You have given no reason why we should think OHCHR endorses everything on their site, a ludicrous and stupid claim when you look at how much material they post.

Meanwhile they reiterated right on that very web page what I told you and what is proved by his mandate: His reports are independent reports, he does not speak for the UN.

What are even still debating? His mandate is irrefutable proof.

 

[groggy]

You have given no reason why we should think OHCHR endorses everything on their site.

Your arguments are getting worse and worse.
You think just because its one of the top links on the UN page that's the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues, it doesn't mean they endorse it?
If they didn't endorse it they wouldn't publish on their front page.
Simple as that.

As for this stupid claim:

His reports are independent reports,

No, he reports to the UN with UN letterhead, on behalf of the UN and was appointed by the UN.
An independent report would be you sending in an angry assessment of Falk on your own hasbara troll letterhead.


Its time to sum up what we've discovered here.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

You think just because its one of the top links on the UN page that's the voice of the UN on Israel human rights issues, it doesn't mean they endorse it?

There is no reason to think they endorse it. They make material available for reference.

What they do explicitly say is that his reports are independent, absolutely proving that they are not OHCHR reports.

You just make yourself look incredibly stupid continuing to deny the very well documented fact that Falk firs not speak for the UN.

You are just a pathetic, stupid liar completely disconnected from reality. You have been thoroughly proven wrong in detail with references but you are too pathetic to admit it.

You are therefore completely untrustworthy and everybody should assume everything you say is maliciously false.

 

[groggy]

You are therefore completely untrustworthy and everybody should assume everything you say is maliciously false.

There you go off on a rant again.

And its so easy to show that you really are full of shit.
Three easy steps.

Go to the UN site that is the voice of the UN on Israeli/Palestinian human rights issues.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/MENARegion/Pages/PSIndex.aspx

Check to see what kind of 'material they have for reference'.
UN GA resolutions and reports from the rapporteur.

Click on the first report listed by the UN appointed person responsible for investigating Israel human rights issues.
Read it, and note that it calls Israel apartheid.

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G14/101/98/PDF/G1410198.pdf?OpenElement



Now, I'll sit back while fuji rants and calls me a liar for providing links to the UN report on the UN site that is the voice for human rights issues written by the person appointed by the UN to write and investigate.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

Links and sources provided and verified.
All claims by fuji have been shown to be false.

 

[fuji]

OHCHR wrote right on that page that he is independent. It is also ludicrous to think that just uploading to a website means they endorse it. If they wanted to endorse it, they would say so.

You are really just pathetic, refusing to accept clear proof.

 

[groggy]

OHCHR wrote right on that page that he is independent.

They said he is independent so as to be unbiased, not that his reports are not non-UN reports.
You are making that part up.

They are still UN commissioned and published reports.