Bibi puts poison pill in negotiations.... no deal possible now.

[basketcase]

Nicely done wrong three times in one post.
I have expressed sympathy for Syrian refugees and suggested that Israel could do the humane thing and at least let the Palestinian refugees at high risk be repatriated.
The PA has said publicly that they want a pluralistic state with equal rights for all, however illegal squatters might have to apply for citizenship.
And since Israel already has so many 'Arab' citizens, there at least should be room for some new demographics and start having a Palestinian population within Israel.

So continued avoidance of the Syrian conflict except what you can blame on Israel. You refuse to make any comment about the atrocities of either Assad or the Rebels,.

You lie about the PA will allowing settlers to stay as citizens (They have repeatedly said that the settlers can not be Palestinian citizens).

If Israel already has an Arab population making up 20%, your pluralistic claims would expect 20% of Palestine to be Jews. Actually that would require the Jewish population to jump to over 1 million. Of course you want all of the Jews in the West Bank cleared out of the Palestinian state but would (rightfully) scream bloody murder if Israel insisted that Arabs had to be removed from Israel (As would they because they would rather be Israeli Arabs than part of Palestine).

 

[fuji]

start having a Palestinian population within Israel.

Start? There are already lots of Palestinians who are Israeli citizens. Duh.

 

[groggy]

Start? There are already lots of Palestinians who are Israeli citizens. Duh.

No, you said there were only Israeli Arabs.

 

[fuji]

No, you said there were only Israeli Arabs.

I see. So you plan on running away from factual deblate and playing clown games, just like Gryfin. I guess when your entire worldview has been discredited, as yours has been, lies, deception, and clown games are all you have left...

 

[groggy]

I see. So you plan on running away from factual deblate and playing clown games, just like Gryfin. I guess when your entire worldview has been discredited, as yours has been, lies, deception, and clown games are all you have left...

Running?
I'm right here.
So if you think that 'Israeli Arabs' are really Palestinians, why won't you call them Palestinians?

 

[fuji]

Running?
I'm right here.
So if you think that 'Israeli Arabs' are really Palestinians, why won't you call them Palestinians?

I just did? Israel has lots of them, unlike Palestinian Authority, Egypt, Syria. etc, Israel is actually a multi ethnic state.

Arab Israeli, Palestinian Israeli, means the same thing. Arab Israeli is more accurate but no big difference.

 

[gryfin]

Liar.

Unfortunately it's sadly true. Very sadly true.

 

[fuji]

Unfortunately it's sadly true. Very sadly true.

Yes, you are a liar, I agree. You lied in claiming that Israel shoots illegal immigrated. You made it up.

Israel shoots people who attack military positions, not random illegal immigrants.

 

[gryfin]

Yes, you are a liar, I agree. You lied in claiming that Israel shoots illegal immigrated. You made it up.

Israel shoots people who attack military positions, not random illegal immigrants.

No, Israel shoots infiltrators. Why can't Palestinians do the same thing?

 

[fuji]

No, Israel shoots infiltrators. Why can't Palestinians do the same thing?

Israel shoots people attacking the border, it does not shoot Palestinians living illegally in Israel.

Settlers in the act of committing armed violence would be combatants, but a settler family living in their home and going about their business are not combatants.

You have tried to claim that they are ALL legitimate targets because a FEW participate in some paramilitary group. Yet you would not accept that ALL Palestinians are legitimate targets because a FEW participate in Hamas.

In fact even Hamas militants are not legitimate targets when they are at home not participating in hostilities, unless they hold key leadership roles or expertise such that killing them has military value beyond merely being members of a militant group.

YOU don't apply the same rules to Palestinians and Israelis. I consistently oppose attacks on civilians by any side in any war.

 

[gryfin]

Israel shoots people attacking the border, it does not shoot Palestinians living illegally in Israel.

Settlers in the act of committing armed violence would be combatants, but a settler family living in their home and going about their business are not combatants.

You have tried to claim that they are ALL legitimate targets because a FEW participate in some paramilitary group. Yet you would not accept that ALL Palestinians are legitimate targets because a FEW participate in Hamas.

In fact even Hamas militants are not legitimate targets when they are at home not participating in hostilities, unless they hold key leadership roles or expertise such that killing them has military value beyond merely being members of a militant group.

YOU don't apply the same rules to Palestinians and Israelis. I consistently oppose attacks on civilians by any side in any war.

No, you're quite fine with Israel violating international law. You're quite fine with half a million Israeli Jews infiltrating the West Bank through the use of force. You're quite fine with Israeli Jews stealing Palestinian land and water. Your quite fine with Israeli Jews displacing ethnically cleansed Palestinians.

 

[fuji]

No, you're quite fine with Israel violating international law. You're quite fine with half a million Israeli Jews infiltrating the West Bank through the use of force. You're quite fine with Israeli Jews stealing Palestinian land and water. Your quite fine with Israeli Jews displacing ethnically cleansed Palestinians.

Oh look the trademarked Gryfin topic change. You got your ass kicked on the point we were discussing so you are trying to segue to something else. You don't get off the hook that fast.

You lied when you said Israel shoots people it considers to be illegally in its territory. It doesn't. It was a bullshit lie and you need to take responsibility for your problem lying. The Palestinians on the other hand clearly do attack people they consider to be illegally in their territory--civilian people who are protected under the Geneva Conventions.

 

[basketcase]

And it seems the Palestinians once again resort to blackmail to continue 'peace' talks.


PA: Talks can go on if Israel frees 1,000 prisoners

Abbas rejects offer of 400 more freed Palestinians to continue negotiations, hands counteroffer to US mediators
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-talks-can-go-on-if-israel-frees-1000-prisoners/


So what has Israel gotten so far in negotiations for their previous release of terrorists? The PA has not been willing to concede anything in negotiations and Abbas has come out saying that a peace deal will only be temporary. Exactly what motivation does Israel have for releasing another convicted 1,000 terrorists?

 

[groggy]

So what has Israel gotten so far in negotiations for their previous release of terrorists?

One more year of land grabs through a doubling of settlement growth and more war crimes of illegal transfer of populations.
That's why they want negotiations to continue but never resolve.

Not to mention that Israel is happy to release them, wait a bit, then just go and arrest them again.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/5409-israel-re-arrests-prisoners-released-in-exchange-deal

 

[fuji]

One more year of land grabs through a doubling of settlement growth and more war crimes of illegal transfer of populations.
That's why they want negotiations to continue but never resolve.

Not to mention that Israel is happy to release them, wait a bit, then just go and arrest them again.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/5409-israel-re-arrests-prisoners-released-in-exchange-deal

Groggy, do you feel the people released and rearrested should be in prison, based on what they have done?

Yes or no?