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Israel shoots infiltrators. Why shouldn't Palestinians?
No. Israel shoots people who are infiltrating a militarized border fence, in the act of doing that. Israel does not go shoot illegal immigrants found inside the country in general.

Attacks on settlers are deeply criminal whether or not you think they have legal residency.
 

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No. Israel shoots people who are infiltrating a militarized border fence, in the act of doing that. Israel does not go shoot illegal immigrants found inside the country in general.

Attacks on settlers are deeply criminal whether or not you think they have legal residency.
So, Israel shoots infiltrators. Why shouldn't Palestinians? Every "settler" is present illegally. Every one entered against the express wishes of the Palestinians. Everyone resides on land they have stolen. Everyone use resources that have been stolen. They act as a paramilitary. They are citizens of another country.

Really, why should the Palestinians not do it?
 

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So, Israel shoots infiltrators. Why shouldn't Palestinians? Every "settler" is present illegally. Every one entered against the express wishes of the Palestinians. Everyone resides on land they have stolen. Everyone use resources that have been stolen. They act as a paramilitary. They are citizens of another country.

Really, why should the Palestinians not do it?
You didn't read this:

No. Israel shoots people who are infiltrating a militarized border fence, in the act of doing that. Israel does not go shoot illegal immigrants found inside the country in general.

Attacks on settlers are deeply criminal whether or not you think they have legal residency.
 

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No, I did. Israel shoots infiltrators. Why shouldn't Palestinians? Unless they leave peacefully but they use violence to stay illegally.
Israel does not shoot illegal immigrants. You are lying.

Israel shoots people who attack military positions, during their attacks on those positions. Border fences, checkpoints.

It does not otherwise shoot illegal immigrants on Israeli territory.
 

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Israel does not shoot illegal immigrants. You are lying.

Israel shoots people who attack military positions, during their attacks on those positions. Border fences, checkpoints.

It does not otherwise shoot illegal immigrants on Israeli territory.
People crossing the border illegally are infiltrators as you've just confirmed. Especially when they are also in violation of international law and then go on to steal land, steal water, abuse the people in whose land they've infiltrated, and act as a paramilitary. Why shouldn't Palestinians do what Israel does? What would Israel do if 500,00 people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
 

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People crossing the border illegally are infiltrators as you've just confirmed. Especially when they are also in violation of international law and then go on to steal land, steal water, abuse the people in whose land they've infiltrated, and act as a paramilitary. Why shouldn't Palestinians do what Israel does? What would Israel do if 500,00 people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
Israel does not attack civilians who are in Israel illegally.
 

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Israel does not attack civilians who are in Israel illegally.
You've already confirmed that people crossing the border are infiltrators. Especially when they are also in violation of international law and then go on to steal land, steal water, abuse the people in whose land they've infiltrated, and act as a paramilitary. Why shouldn't Palestinians do what Israel does?

What would Israel do if 500,00 people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
 

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Which is different. Attacking or infiltrating a militarized border is not the same as being illegally in the country.
Israel does not shoot illegal immigrants. You are lying.

Israel shoots people who attack military positions, during their attacks on those positions. Border fences, checkpoints.

It does not otherwise shoot illegal immigrants on Israeli territory.
You mean the border between the West Bank and Israel isn't militarized? Are you in some fantasy land?

What would Israel do if 500,00 people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
 

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It isn't manned by a Palestinian army!
How could it be? The Israeli's occupy the West Bank and Gaza. Yet it's still a militarized border and fence meaning that it's a militarized border. It also means that the Israeli army freely lets it's citizens infiltrate the territory fully aware it is being done without the permission of Palestinians and against their wishes. It let's them infiltrate with the full knowledge that they are not only entering illegally but violating international law. It encouraged and facilitates the theft of land. It encourages and facilitates the theft of water. It uses violence to allow them to do this. It arms them to allow them to do this.

Now, why can't Palestinians shoot them like Israeli's would shoot 500,00 who people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
 

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How could it be? The Israeli's occupy the West Bank and Gaza. Yet it's still a militarized border and fence meaning that it's a militarized border. It also means that the Israeli army freely lets it's citizens infiltrate the territory fully aware it is being done without the permission of Palestinians and against their wishes. It let's them infiltrate with the full knowledge that they are not only entering illegally but violating international law. It encouraged and facilitates the theft of land. It encourages and facilitates the theft of water. It uses violence to allow them to do this. It arms them to allow them to do this.

Now, why can't Palestinians shoot them like Israeli's would shoot 500,00 who people crossed the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
Israel does not shoot illegal immigrants found inside Israel.

There goes your argument...
 

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Israel does not. That is a lie. Israel does not shoot illegal aliens found within Israel. You simply made that up, you are a liar.
No, Israel does shoot infiltrators. Imagine what they do if 500,00 who people infiltrated the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
 

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No, Israel does shoot infiltrators. Imagine what they do if 500,00 who people infiltrated the border illegally and stole land, stole water, abused Israeli's and acted as a paramilitary?
That would possibly be a fair start to settling the settlement issue, if Israel wants to keep 500,000 settlers in Palestine, then they should allow 500,000 Palestinian refugees, say from war torn Syria for a start, to return to Israel.
 

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That would possibly be a fair start to settling the settlement issue, if Israel wants to keep 500,000 settlers in Palestine, then they should allow 500,000 Palestinian refugees, say from war torn Syria for a start, to return to Israel.
That is the first time you have ever expressed any sympathy for what is happening is Syria and as usual just as a way to demean Israel.

As for your idea, unless you are suggesting that the settlers become full Palestinian citizens and stay in their homes (something the PA has outright rejected) it's not at all a reciprocal concept.

Of course what you miss also is that multicultural Israel already has 1.5 million Arab citizens.
 

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That is the first time you have ever expressed any sympathy for what is happening is Syria and as usual just as a way to demean Israel.

As for your idea, unless you are suggesting that the settlers become full Palestinian citizens and stay in their homes (something the PA has outright rejected) it's not at all a reciprocal concept.

Of course what you miss also is that multicultural Israel already has 1.5 million Arab citizens.
Nicely done wrong three times in one post.
I have expressed sympathy for Syrian refugees and suggested that Israel could do the humane thing and at least let the Palestinian refugees at high risk be repatriated.
The PA has said publicly that they want a pluralistic state with equal rights for all, however illegal squatters might have to apply for citizenship.
And since Israel already has so many 'Arab' citizens, there at least should be room for some new demographics and start having a Palestinian population within Israel.
 
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