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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 hijacked, official says

nottyboi

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That was about the least useful news update on MH370 that I've seen since the damned thing went missing. "We assume it was out over the ocean and not near a landing strip, so we assume it's gone and everyone is dead." I'm so glad they chose to share that information with us. Better yet, I'm so glad they chose to share with those who lost loved ones on the flight VIA TEXT. That's pretty cold. Even the police at least show up in person to tell you when your loved one is dead.
I don't agree. They had a press conference after which the statement was released by text to those that had subscribed. Stop bashing the Malaysians, this is very, very difficult stuff. To their credit they have not lost a plane in a very long time, so they are not pros at dealing with this sort of thing. Also the incident is unprecedented. This info is also VERY important. The search are is now greatly reduced, and countries can probably deploy sensors in the area to listen for the pinger. This is a big leap forward in locating the wreckage.
 

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There are too many theories about what happened to flight 370. I'll introduce mine:
The Americans and members of G8 need a reliable gps plane tracking so they can control the air traffic. (Any kind of traffic , public, private, military and specially drugs and terrorism. They order certain companies to develop it. There is a company that started to develop a new gps tracking system based on the old Iridium Satellite Constellation. The system will be up an running by 2016. The governments want private sector to pay for it but it's a hard sell. We are talking billions of dollars. So they came with a plan, to hijack a regular airline plane. Now this hijacking has to look like an accident. They decided to take control of a plane from a small country. A pilot took control of the plane with a computer. (A program was already created to facilitate this and implanted in the planes mainframe). Now, they had to do something with the passengers. They forced the plane to fly at high altitude until the reserve oxygen was depleted. Everybody died. Then the plane was commanded to dip to a lower altitude to avoid commercial radars and flew to a remote are of the Indian Ocean where the knew it would be hard to find. They landed the plane in the ocean and let it sink. While they did this they diverted the search to another area so they could make sure that nothing could be found. The blame will be put to the pilots and there will be a mandatory introduction of the GPS technology. There is lots of money behind this and a few lives are not important.
Enjoy and call me crazy :)
what is their stock ticker. Billions of $$ would cause many people to kill 200 strangers, but in the context of the air travel industry, it is chump change.
 

GPIDEAL

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He knew what you meant. The examples he gave all involved aircraft that had completely lost engine power. Not "stalled and started again", but dead. Not to generate another single Newton of thrust.
Other than a stall, I only know of one jetliner without power - that Cdn flight that ran out of fuel and landed on a highway or road by gliding. I would think that if all engines failed or more planes ran out of fuel, the majority would not be so lucky.
 

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Other than a stall, I only know of one jetliner without power - that Cdn flight that ran out of fuel and landed on a highway or road by gliding. I would think that if all engines failed or more planes ran out of fuel, the majority would not be so lucky.
The BAW 747 restarted. TSC in the Azores. Another example of a heavy gliding to landing.
 

GPIDEAL

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It isn't exclusively based on distance traveled. There are various ways to measure it, and in almost all of them, flying churns out far less risk than anything else. On a "per trip" basis, flying is more dangerous. But on a one-way trip, you take two car trips - one to the airport and one away from it at your destination. You also probably did several other trips that week. So it's not really fair to use a "per trip" figure unless you figure out how many trips you take in a car for each time you fly, which will be based on your own specific flight and travel habits.

If you want to use "per time", flying is much safer. For every billion hours in the air, there are 30.8 deaths. For every hour in a car, there are 130. 220 on foot. 4840 on a motorcycle. 438,000 on the space shuttle. The only ones that are safer in that area are Bus (11.1) and train (30).

There's also the "per total deaths' static. Which says you'd see a large airliner plummeting out of the sky each day to equal the same number of deaths as there are in car accidents. But it's also true that more people drive. However, per capita, in North America at least, it's still less likely even when you normalize that statistic.

If your car stalls on the 401, you just might die. But if an engine stops in flight, it's not a big deal. First off, most planes people fly in have more than 1 engine. Secondly, even in the case of all-engine failures, aircraft still fly perfectly fine. In fact, there are aircraft out there that don't have engines (gliders) and they happen to be every bit as capable of safe flight as their engine-driven counterparts.

Don't get me wrong, I fly whenever I need to, and believe it's safe enough (OK, I may do a sign of the cross as a good luck charm on take-off and landing, but I'm not a nervous flyer).

You make an excellent point about engine redundancy in airplanes (this was demonstrated in a Mayday program last week with a jet airline having 3 engines and one of them fell off during take-off due to improper maintenance procedures), which cars don't have, but if you ran out of gas, you would coast to the shoulder. Normally, a car wouldn't stall on the highway unless it died in bumper to bumper traffic (in which case you call CAA and put your flashers on but it'd be wise to get out of the car), so chances are, you wouldn't die in a stall situation.

As you pointed out, there are way more motorists than airline passengers, so I think the 'per time' statistics you cite, are also skewed in favour of flying.

I should research this online but I'm not necessarily convinced that flying on it's own is safer (although safe enough).

An interesting statistic would be, what is the frequency of flying for passengers that died on airplane disasters? From an intuitive standpoint, since I've been driving every day since I was 16, I'm still not dead. If I flew instead, I might not be so lucky.

Having said this, I would never drive long distances or take the train or bus. Flying is the way to go.
 

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I don't know a lot about insurance, but it isn't it standard that they don't pay out for suicide?

Correct. I would think that they would not pay even if it was 'suspected suicide'. This means that if the plane isn't found, they may delay the claim until they know better. The poor passengers's families would collect.
 

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Just joining in on this thread. I always thought that the MH-370 most likely crashed in the Indian Ocean but there's so much more to know about what happened.

It's sad news, but it's good to know that there are several countries assisting.
 

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A Chinese container ship in the area found some part from the missing airliner. But they realized it was from another plane and are trying to contact "aysian Airlines"
 

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I don't agree. They had a press conference after which the statement was released by text to those that had subscribed. Stop bashing the Malaysians, this is very, very difficult stuff. To their credit they have not lost a plane in a very long time, so they are not pros at dealing with this sort of thing. Also the incident is unprecedented. This info is also VERY important. The search are is now greatly reduced, and countries can probably deploy sensors in the area to listen for the pinger. This is a big leap forward in locating the wreckage.
I'm not bashing them, I'm saying that's cold. And I'd say that if they were from Texas. Seriously, calm down. I don't think you need experience in dealing with this to know you that no one wants to hear that their loved ones are dead via text.
 

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Other than a stall, I only know of one jetliner without power - that Cdn flight that ran out of fuel and landed on a highway or road by gliding. I would think that if all engines failed or more planes ran out of fuel, the majority would not be so lucky.
It may not happen a lot in airliners, but in aviation in general, it's pretty common and really not a big deal. In fact, the bigger the plane, the less of a deal it is as they're higher off the ground usually and can handle a rougher surface. They probably won't be able to fly out whatever field they land in, but landing is the important part.
 

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I still am searching for a plaudible explanation of how the plane flew south towards nothing. I just don't get it.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I fly whenever I need to, and believe it's safe enough (OK, I may do a sign of the cross as a good luck charm on take-off and landing, but I'm not a nervous flyer).

You make an excellent point about engine redundancy in airplanes (this was demonstrated in a Mayday program last week with a jet airline having 3 engines and one of them fell off during take-off due to improper maintenance procedures), which cars don't have, but if you ran out of gas, you would coast to the shoulder. Normally, a car wouldn't stall on the highway unless it died in bumper to bumper traffic (in which case you call CAA and put your flashers on but it'd be wise to get out of the car), so chances are, you wouldn't die in a stall situation.

As you pointed out, there are way more motorists than airline passengers, so I think the 'per time' statistics you cite, are also skewed in favour of flying.

I should research this online but I'm not necessarily convinced that flying on it's own is safer (although safe enough).

An interesting statistic would be, what is the frequency of flying for passengers that died on airplane disasters? From an intuitive standpoint, since I've been driving every day since I was 16, I'm still not dead. If I flew instead, I might not be so lucky.

Having said this, I would never drive long distances or take the train or bus. Flying is the way to go.
And if a plane runs out of gas, there's not going to be anyone to crash into them, plus they get priority handling and have teams of people working behind the scenes to help. The failure rate in aircraft is also extremely low. Jet engines have very few moving parts compared to the combustion engine in your car, and are subject to much more rigorous inspection and maintenance. After an engine has a total running time of a certain number, it's completely torn apart, inspected for even the kind of damage eyes can't see, anything that is designed to wear at all (like the equivalent of a gasket for example) is replaced, etc. Everything is then re-inspected, then inspected again. Any anomaly is noted and if the aircraft mechanics can't figure out the cause, they call the manufacturer and put their heads together to diagnose it.

If cars were subjected to the same maintenance standards as airplanes, you'd rarely see so much as a flat tire. Not to mention the training and evaluations pilots constantly undergo. Every year I am retested. That includes written exams on my specific aircraft, air law and navigation, as well as a practical evaluation of my flying skills. After every flight, I debrief my co-pilot on his performance and pinpoint any weak areas, as well as discuss any errors I may have made (hey, I'm not perfect). If drivers had to meet the same standards as pilots, the roads would be half empty.

Now I realize it's not mathematical or as useful as statistics, but I hope that knowing all that, including the fact that there are redundancies and procedures for everything including complete failure of all engines, complete failure of all electronics, complete failure of all hydraulics, makes you feel better about flying. Yes, shit like MH370 happens, but at the end of the day this will be studied for decades and every possible lesson there is to be learned will be. It's how we see a decline in incidents per capita year over year.
 

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Great to hear but how many didn't? (I'm not scare mongering - I would fly too, just saying).
abv might be able to think of one (ATC study this stuff too, safety is a team effort even if we do spend half our time ignoring them and they spend half their time telling us to do things that aren't particularly helpful to our bird specifically), but I can't think of a single example off the top of my head of an airliner losing all engine power and not having a successful landing. I can think of a couple where engine power was lost in addition to other issues (like control system failure), but it's horribly bad luck to have a multiple-system failure like that. As much as it pains me to say it, because people take it out of context, the number one cause of accidents is pilot error. In reality, we also happen to save a ton more than we cause, but when people die, chances are a pilot screwed up somewhere, usually in connection with something else like failure to execute proper procedure (Air France 447 again, not to pick on them but they're a great example).
 

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Its time the family members of these lost souls come to grips with the reality of their lost ones circumstances. Watching the evening news tonite where many of them are still hanging around airline offices in angry rages, kicking out and punching at others, is mighty sad. These folks will need some help to resolve their losses and move away from states of blame and anger to deal with their losses in a fashion which respects and dignifies those for whom they need to mourn. Refusal to face the truth wont help bring anyone back to their sides, it will lead only to their own lives filled with torment.. The tv cameras should be switching off on this particular episode,(which now seems to be turning into a pathetic gong show), and return during the funeral rights phase.
 

nottyboi

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I'm not bashing them, I'm saying that's cold. And I'd say that if they were from Texas. Seriously, calm down. I don't think you need experience in dealing with this to know you that no one wants to hear that their loved ones are dead via text.
They had people meet with the families in person before the text was sent out. As you can imagine, the extended families are a large group, at some point your choices are some sort of email or text or having them see it on TV. I think a lot of people are bashing the Malaysian govt, and unfairly. Many nations are assisting and the best minds in this area are working on it. It is not really their fault they do not have the answers.
 

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^ This is just the Roaring 40's, not even into the Screaming 50's.

Imagine what this was like in a vessel such as H.M. Bark Endeavour (106 ft/32 m LWL; Beam 29 ft 3 in' 8.92 m) or even Admiral Lord Anson's flagship H.M.S. Centurion (144 ft /43.9 m LWL; Beam:40 ft /12.2 m)
 
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