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Aardvark154

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Entirely the fault of the Government for not having a blood quantum from the outset. In the case of established bands and tribes typically they are the greatest supporters of the same.
 

dcbogey

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Entirely the fault of the Government for not having a blood quantum from the outset. In the case of established bands and tribes typically they are the greatest supporters of the same.
I'll agree with the first sentence - or at least the first part of the sentence.

A quick check of a few native websites seem to indicate less than overwhelming support for blood quantum. Not that they would be biased though ....

I hope this blows up in the face of the Aboriginal Affairs.
 

Aardvark154

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A quick check of a few native websites seem to indicate less than overwhelming support for blood quantum. Not that they would be biased though ....
As one might expect that all depends upon what the issue is. Bands/Tribes with a great deal of money for instance are generally all in favour of shutting the door.
 

Ceiling Cat

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If you have Indian Status, you pay no taxes and get benefits galore.
 

TeasePlease

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Here's an idea - treat everyone the same. No special rights/privileges for aboriginals. We're all Canadians. Now get back to work.
 

BlueLaser

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If you have Indian Status, you pay no taxes and get benefits galore.
Not 100% correct. Depends on the tribe among other factors. My cousin is status (adopted). He can hunt and fish whenever he wants, but his band didn't pay for his education and he pays taxes.
 

Curious36

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Here's an idea - treat everyone the same. No special rights/privileges for aboriginals. We're all Canadians. Now get back to work.
I agree 100% Its hard to teach equality to our youngsters when the government does the opposite. If not at least have a time phrame on those extra benefits/priveleges....they should have been phased out by now.
 

BlueLaser

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I agree 100% Its hard to teach equality to our youngsters when the government does the opposite. If not at least have a time phrame on those extra benefits/priveleges....they should have been phased out by now.
The problem is that they are enshrined into the constitution. Good luck getting a 50+7 passed with places like Nunavut which is majority native and Manitoba which has a large native population and strong pro-native sentiment outside the major cities.
 

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Curious36

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The problem is that they are enshrined into the constitution. Good luck getting a 50+7 passed with places like Nunavut which is majority native and Manitoba which has a large native population and strong pro-native sentiment outside the major cities.
Oh I didnt say it was going to happen....just isnt right IMO. You dont "help" anyone by consistently subsidizing their lives. You get dependance and entitlement while taking away the ability to succeed on their own terms. What happens when you take the bird feeder away in the dead of winter?
 

Ceiling Cat

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Not 100% correct. Depends on the tribe among other factors. My cousin is status (adopted). He can hunt and fish whenever he wants, but his band didn't pay for his education and he pays taxes.
Your cousin is not a full status Indian. If he was Indian born on the reserve, would he be tax exempt and get free education?
No you do not !
They do have a lot of benefits that the average Canadian does not have, without paying taxes. However, there are conditions. If they have a business in the GTA they must pay taxes, but if it is money earned on the reservation they do not. If they buy furniture for their home in the GTA, they must pay taxes, but not do not pay taxes on furniture if it is delivered to the reservation. The rules are not clear all the time.

They get FREE dental care from Health Canada
  • Diagnostic services like examinations or x-rays;
  • Preventive services like cleanings;
  • Restorative services like fillings;
  • Endodontics such as root canal treatments;
  • Periodontics or the treatment of gums;
  • Prosthodontics including removable dentures;
  • Oral surgery including the removal of teeth;
  • Orthodontics to correct irregularities in teeth and jaws; and
  • Adjunctive services, which include additional services like sedation.
Sounds like fringe benefits that a CEO of a fortune 500 company would have as a condition of employment.
 

oldjones

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Here's an idea - treat everyone the same. No special rights/privileges for aboriginals. We're all Canadians. Now get back to work.
Only works if you start everyone off from the same line. We're all different, now let's get back to dealing with that.

One of the things we have to remember whenever we hear 'Newfoundland' and Indians mentioned together is that the aboriginal inhabitants—the Beothuks—of the Rock were viciously hunted down and exterminated to the last survivor by genocidal Europeans. Us folks who trace our 'racial' and genetic lines back that direction owe a considerable obligation to those who weren't slaughtered but whom we have kept impoverished and marginalized because of their 'racial' and genetic lines ever since.

When we're actually ready to commit to giving everyone the same chance, I'm with you all the way.
 

Aardvark154

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With your 40K posts here, I'm surprised you find time to read about 70 year old politics in a foreign country... but since you decided to Google your way into expertise on the subject, maybe you should look into the 21st Century chronic abuse of our EI system by Nfld seasonal workers:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...-anxious-about-changes-to-ei-system-1.1240800
Who is wearing the blinders? Nice personal attack, the one small problem is that the book was first brought to my attention in an interview with the author on CBC.
 

Viggo Rasmussen

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I agree 100% Its hard to teach equality to our youngsters when the government does the opposite. If not at least have a time phrame on those extra benefits/priveleges....they should have been phased out by now.
Yes, fuck them over and force them to lose their culture, ignore any treaties we've signed - then phase out any help because they didn't catch up quickly enough.
 

BlueLaser

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Your cousin is not a full status Indian. If he was Indian born on the reserve, would he be tax exempt and get free education?

They do have a lot of benefits that the average Canadian does not have, without paying taxes. However, there are conditions. If they have a business in the GTA they must pay taxes, but if it is money earned on the reservation they do not. If they buy furniture for their home in the GTA, they must pay taxes, but not do not pay taxes on furniture if it is delivered to the reservation. The rules are not clear all the time.



Sounds like fringe benefits that a CEO of a fortune 500 company would have as a condition of employment.
Define "full status". Because the government doesn't. You're either registered under the Indian Status Act, or you're not. A lot of the "benefits" are determined at the band/tribe level. Education, for example, falls under their purview. In my cousin's case, they only cover very specific education that in some way benefits the band. Law, Canadian history, business, medicine, etc. Flight school even if it's a degree program? No. Trade school that isn't a trade that works on the reserve? No. Other bands might, his does not.

Yes, they have benefits. I was simply refuting your claim that status means no taxes and benefits galore. It's not always cut and dry, and in many cases amounts to nothing more than exemption from hunting/fishing laws. Besides, having benefits that only apply if you live on the reserve isn't really much of a benefit. Have you seen a reserve lately? I'd rather pay triple taxes than live on one myself.
 

Curious36

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Yes, fuck them over and force them to lose their culture, ignore any treaties we've signed - then phase out any help because they didn't catch up quickly enough.
Ok....eliminating subsidation = loss of culture :confused:
As for the rest....times change....you either adapt or get left behind. Should the gov't be subsidizing wagon wheel makers because an agreement was signed 150 years ago?
 

BlueLaser

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Ok....eliminating subsidation = loss of culture :confused:
As for the rest....times change....you either adapt or get left behind. Should the gov't be subsidizing wagon wheel makers because an agreement was signed 150 years ago?
If said agreement formed an integral part of our nation's heritage (and yes, the heritage of us white folk too) and is enshrined in our constitution, I would absolutely hope our government would honour those wagon wheel maker's and their agreement.

Just to be clear, I was in the military, I'm extremely patriotic and given that I'm in a relatively high tax bracket, I'm miffed when people scam on taxes and don't carry their load. And in many respect, it bugs me that there is so much waste, corruption and so many freeloaders within the First Nations system. The reason I won't criticize too hard is because the non-Free Nations system is just as bad, maybe worse. The reserves are a terrible idea, we should've never done it, but now we have and do we really have the right to kick people out of their homes for no reason other than "we don't like the culture of these places"? And that's a fair complaint, most reserves are shitholes and the customs and culture that are preserved there could be preserved elsewhere, but even a shithole can be home.

At the end of the day, deciding to cut the natives out would almost be like cutting out Dieppe. You know what? We lost. Hard. It was an absolute disgrace. We were unprepared, undertrained, underequipped and undersupported. We should stop wasting money on keeping the archives and history of Dieppe going. Except Dieppe was huge for us. Yes, we lost, but we lost as a nation and we lost in the bravest of fashions. It was also the first battle we conducted as an independent nation and paved the way for massive reforms both in our military and the militaries of the commonwealth. But it's expensive to maintain and it's not something most of us were involved in, so let's just forget about it. That's what it would be like to cut out natives. And no matter how you try to skirt the issue, ignoring the land claims and the massive mistreatment and rewriting the Indian Act to absolve us of our accountability to them is essentially cutting them out.

The natives are vastly more crucial to the history of Canada than Dieppe or Ypres or Vimy Ridge could ever be, and no one would ever dream of changing our stance on those.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I realize many will disagree. But I would find it shameful if we simply decided to take a difference stance on native affairs because we're feeling "used" for paying taxes that a handful of native living in squalor our ancestors sent them to aren't paying. The benefits aren't that great and a lot of natives have a much more modern and selfless view than many thing. You can see Api's blog if you're actually interested (though I suspect most people who want to take things away from natives have any desire to hear a native perspective) in how the educators in First Nations society actually thing. http://apihtawikosisan.com/ I hope she doesn't mind me calling her Api, there's no way I'd ever spell her pseudonym without errors.
 
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