Teksavvy ordered to release names of 2000 downloading customers
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I couldn't afford the mercedez so I stole it- same logicAnd they are not ripping off consumers selling Blu-Ray discs close for $25-$30 a pop? Compact Discs for $15-$20? They should be ashamed marking up their product by absurd amounts. Small wonder people do not want to pay and then go get it for free.
So you think paying a adult femaile for consensual sex is immoral? I don't that's why I am here- if you do thinks it's wrong why are you here?look how cute! moralists in an escort review forum.
downloading is theft you are taking something without paying for it. isn't that the definition stealing?
which is a form of theft you are taking someones creation without paying for itI couldn't afford the mercedez so I stole it- same logic
call it what you want it is illegal
You are making a copy of a copy of media which is offered to you. You can't steal something that is being shared. Period. Nothing goes missing.it Is In no way stealing or theft. Are we calling vandals murderers now? I am not stealing from evian because I drink water from a tap.downloading is theft you are taking something without paying for it. isn't that the definition stealing?
all you people are looking stupid as fuck calling it stealing when if you play any music on youtube that isnt from the channel of the artist or the label or streaming porn from sites like pornhub xhamster xvideo... you are doing the exact same thing.
You are right it isn't under the theft section of the criminal code, in fact, the offence is in the copyright act. But it is still a criminal offense when done for commercial gain rather than personal use:You are making a copy of a copy of media which is offered to you. You can't steal something that is being shared. Period. Nothing goes missing.it Is In no way stealing or theft. Are we calling vandals murderers now? I am not stealing from evian because I drink water from a tap.
all you people are looking stupid as fuck calling it stealing when if you play any music on youtube that isnt from the channel of the artist or the label or streaming porn from sites like pornhub xhamster xvideo... you are doing the exact same thing.
Criminal Remedies
Offences and punishment
42. (1) Every person who knowingly
(a) makes for sale or rental an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(b) sells or rents out, or by way of trade exposes or offers for sale or rental, an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists,
(c) distributes infringing copies of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, either for the purpose of trade or to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
(d) by way of trade exhibits in public an infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists, or
(e) imports for sale or rental into Canada any infringing copy of a work or other subject-matter in which copyright subsists
is guilty of an offence and liable
(f) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, or
(g) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding**one million dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both.
Calling it theft would imply some assumption of transfer of ownership, willing or unwilling to the person committing the offence. In these 'copyright theft' matters no one is trying to assume ownership of the intellectual rights of the material. What they are doing, however, is making an unauthorised statement that they have the legal right to use and / or distribute the material without permission from the copyright holder.
Downloading did major damage to the music industry.How many of you guys really care that people download stuff off the net? Doesn't hurt me one bit, neither does the major movie studios.
Most studios in this city shut down about 10 years ago, for a while there were only two large ones left, though some have been opening up of late and major record labels have dropped a tonne of acts and slimmed down in a big way. There are no cd retail stores anymore, other then the occasional boutique one, sales have turned now to vinyl for collectables (though those come with download codes generally).
The film industry is on full attack mode to make sure that it doesn't happen to them, they're responsible for the '3 strikes' legislation that threatens your internet as well as heinous legislation like ACTA. They've become copyright trolls on youtube, shutting down channels left in right with copyright accusations that don't have to be backed up and take months to challenge.
Netflix is one response, and the studios don't like it, since it doesn't pay them enough which is shown by the content. iTunes has another model which also works, though the studios are fighting those lower prices as well.
So it may not be hurting you, but its causing major changes in the entertainment industry, which is a major employer these days.
My take on it is that they need to figure out how to make the most of the new reality and ditch the old model and the fight to retain it.
so , how do they know for sure who's donwloading the content?
If someone leaves their wireless signal open(or someone hacks the signal), and another person comes along and uses the first guy's connection to download stuff , wouldn't they need to prove who it was ?
Torrents will only show an IP address , so it could still be anyone using that connection.
If someone leaves their wireless signal open(or someone hacks the signal), and another person comes along and uses the first guy's connection to download stuff , wouldn't they need to prove who it was ?
Torrents will only show an IP address , so it could still be anyone using that connection.
Trace the IP's to tekksavvy, subpoena tekksavvy to release client names based on IP's.so , how do they know for sure who's donwloading the content?
If someone leaves their wireless signal open(or someone hacks the signal), and another person comes along and uses the first guy's connection to download stuff , wouldn't they need to prove who it was ?
Torrents will only show an IP address , so it could still be anyone using that connection.
Excellent point.so , how do they know for sure who's donwloading the content?
If someone leaves their wireless signal open(or someone hacks the signal), and another person comes along and uses the first guy's connection to download stuff , wouldn't they need to prove who it was ?
Torrents will only show an IP address , so it could still be anyone using that connection
It wouldnt even have to be over wi-fi, could also be a hacker over regular internet (zombie computer):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_(computer_science)
that will give you the subscriber's name. It doesn't necessarily mean that that particular person is responsible for the downloads. The subscriber may not have a clue as to what is going on. Unless they are going to go a different route and just say that you , as the subscriber, are responsible for all activity that happens on your network.Trace the IP's to tekksavvy, subpoena tekksavvy to release client names based on IP's.
Why are they going after teksavvy customers rather than Bell or Rogers customers? If there is any infringement going on, you can bet there is 1000x more instances of it on Bell and Rogers networks than on teksavvy due to sheer size.
Is there politics behind this? Bad press for the small but growing competitor?
Is there politics behind this? Bad press for the small but growing competitor?
They aren't going after Teksavvy customers specifically. Rogers and Bell will have got similar demands for customer information for IP addresses from their network. The difference is Teksavvy stood up for their customers rights and made Voltage go through the proper legal channels rather than just giving subscriber information away to a veiled threat,Why are they going after teksavvy customers rather than Bell or Rogers customers? If there is any infringement going on, you can bet there is 1000x more instances of it on Bell and Rogers networks than on teksavvy due to sheer size.
Is there politics behind this? Bad press for the small but growing competitor?
Many of these companies claiming copyright infringement are porn production companies whose films have been posted on European sites which people can often access
and download for free.
Since I believe the OP said Voltage was a US company they on pretty shaky ground. A number of years back the US Supreme Court ruled that viewing material that you
can access freely is not illegal. And in addition they refused to rule on the legality of file sharing. So you can still view whatever you want, paid for or not, but you cannot
resell it. Even though most retailers won't do it; it is not illegal, as far as I know, to pay to have your copyrighted VCR's put on DVD. The movie studios are mostly using
scare tactics and have little to back them up.
and download for free.
Since I believe the OP said Voltage was a US company they on pretty shaky ground. A number of years back the US Supreme Court ruled that viewing material that you
can access freely is not illegal. And in addition they refused to rule on the legality of file sharing. So you can still view whatever you want, paid for or not, but you cannot
resell it. Even though most retailers won't do it; it is not illegal, as far as I know, to pay to have your copyrighted VCR's put on DVD. The movie studios are mostly using
scare tactics and have little to back them up.
refusing to change their business model to keep up with changing technology did major damage to the music industry.Downloading did major damage to the music industry.
If they can be shown to be profiting, absolutely. If they downloaded for personal use, criminal charges may be warranted but they would be a very minor charge (like shoplifting) and likely not worth prosecuting.You are right it isn't under the theft section of the criminal code, in fact, the offence is in the copyright act. But it is still a criminal offense when done for commercial gain rather than personal use:
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As for music, last I heard downloading music in Canada is legal as long as you burn it onto recordable media (CD/DVD). Something to do with the surcharge put on recordable media since the blank cassette days.
