Hezbollah draws Lebanon into Syrian war

[fuji]

Where the hell do you get that from? Hezbollah is a non-state militia that has been banned by the UN.

That still doesn't change Lebanon being responsible for the sovereignty of the state and allowing Hezbollah to act as a non-state army means Lebanon has to take the blame.

To be clear, I am just turning the sand flea contingents argument back on them. They have previously claimed that Hezbollah is lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon, rather than just being an illegal militia.

But if they are indeed a lawful extension of state power, as the nimwits have periodically argued, then the Lebanese State is fully answerable for Hezbollah's periodic incursions into Israel and other attacks.

I am happy to hear either arguments that they are an illegal terrorist organization and must be disarmed per UN resolution and Lebanese law, or alternately, that they are lawfully empowered by the State in which case the State itself bears responsibility for their actions.

The sand fleas just can't have it both ways.

 

[basketcase]

Gryf, You should really read the news some day.

 

[gryfin]

Gryf, You should really read the news some day.

Oh I do. You just don't know how much I do. That's how I know that the "news" isn't blaming Hezbollah, it's just fellow politicians. And that's quite healthy.

 

[gryfin]

To be clear, I am just turning the sand flea contingents argument back on them. They have previously claimed that Hezbollah is lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon, rather than just being an illegal militia.

But if they are indeed a lawful extension of state power, as the nimwits have periodically argued, then the Lebanese State is fully answerable for Hezbollah's periodic incursions into Israel and other attacks.

I am happy to hear either arguments that they are an illegal terrorist organization and must be disarmed per UN resolution and Lebanese law, or alternately, that they are lawfully empowered by the State in which case the State itself bears responsibility for their actions.

The sand fleas just can't have it both ways.

Given this convoluted explanation, it looks like the only trying to have it both ways is you, Rob.

 

[basketcase]

Oh I do. You just don't know how much I do. That's how I know that the "news" isn't blaming Hezbollah, it's just fellow politicians. And that's quite healthy.

Sad. Really sad that you look for any excuse to not criticize anyone but Israel.


As the news stated, Hezbollah has been the major stumbling block to a deal to form a cabinet.

 

[gryfin]

Sad. Really sad that you look for any excuse to not criticize anyone but Israel.


As the news stated, Hezbollah has been the major stumbling block to a deal to form a cabinet.

No, that just the claim some opposition politicians make. Nothing more, nothing less. Very normal.

 

[basketcase]

Yep, still a refusal to criticize anything about Lebanon's absolutely depressing political situation.

 

[fuji]

Given this convoluted explanation, it looks like the only trying to have it both ways is you, Rob.

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

Yes or no?

Let's see if your views are logically consistent.

 

[fuji]

Given this convoluted explanation, it looks like the only trying to have it both ways is you, Rob.

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

Yes or no?

Let's see if your views are logically consistent.

 

[groggy]

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

Israel is not allowed to attack Lebanon lawfully.

 

[gryfin]

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

Yes or no?

Let's see if your views are logically consistent.

Any Lebanese is, Rob.

 

[fuji]

Any Lebanese is, Rob.

Really, any Lebanese is authorized by the state to go to war with Israel?

 

[basketcase]

Israel is not allowed to attack Lebanon lawfully.

Actually they still are officially at war since Lebanon declared it in 1948.


And yes, when Hezbollah attacks across the border to murder Israelis and kidnap their bodies, Israel has a legal right to respond.


Of course I must have missed all the threads where you criticized Syria's military occupation of Lebanon from 1976 until 2005.

 

[fuji]

Israel is not allowed to attack Lebanon lawfully.

Wrong. When Hezbollah attacks Israel from Lebanese territory, and the Lebanese state does nothing, Israel has every right under international law to go and eliminate the threat.

 

[groggy]

Really, any Lebanese is authorized by the state to go to war with Israel?

Lost the argument so you're trying to change the terms again?
Typical troll tactics.

This is what you said:

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

You said attack.

 

[groggy]

Wrong. When Hezbollah attacks Israel from Lebanese territory, and the Lebanese state does nothing, Israel has every right under international law to go and eliminate the threat.

Who said anything about Hezbollah attacking?
You said:

Is Hezbollah lawfully entitled to defend South Lebanon from Israeli attack?

Once again you are trying to change the terms of the argument after you've lost.
typical troll tactics.

 

[basketcase]

Who said anything about Hezbollah attacking?
You said:


Once again you are trying to change the terms of the argument after you've lost.
typical troll tactics.

So when has Israel attacked Lebanon? Responding to massive terror attacks during the civil war? Responding to Hezbollah's 2006 attack across the border and their kidnapping of dead Israelis? Of course Syria invaded Lebanon in 1976 and stayed for 30 years but you never complain about that.

 

[MattRoxx]

It's well documented that Palestinians attacked Lebanon, ruining Beirut, killing more than 100,000 and displacing or as Groggy would say, ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands from their homes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War.

 

[fuji]

Who said anything about Hezbollah attacking?

In this world, Hezbollah attacks Israel. They cross into Israeli territory and attack Israeli positions.

 

[groggy]

In this world, Hezbollah attacks Israel. They cross into Israeli territory and attack Israeli positions.

In this world, Israel filled Lebanon with refugees they ethnically cleansed from their homes and waiting for Israel to respect their right of return.
That's the source of the conflict.