I'm with you. It is fun to have an honest give and take on points while debating.Saxon, for one, just keeps on pushing his point.
The guys who refuse to acknowledge valid arguments and use stupid stats get no respect from me. They are the same as politicians who can never stray from their party's agenda. They are not concerned about an exchange of ideas and enlightening one another, it is just about winning an argument. God forbid that they may show some weakness by actually giving validation to someone else's point of view. I have no use for them.