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Looks like another commie has come out of the woodwork, to bolster the delusional losing commie !!!

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Lovehobby

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Charlie Chaplin was one dragged to HUAC committee after making the Modern Times movie. One congressman demanded " Mr Chaplin are you a communist?" Charlie responded " I don't know. Suppose you tell me what you think s communist is and then I will be able to tell you if I am one" :)
 

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Charlie Chaplin was one dragged to HUAC committee after making the Modern Times movie. One congressman demanded " Mr Chaplin are you a communist?" Charlie responded " I don't know. Suppose you tell me what you think s communist is and then I will be able to tell you if I am one" :)
So you think you're as funny as Charlie Chaplin? Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
 

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The tories and libs never cared about vets after they were no longer of use in thier wars, leaving the NDP to clean up the after math.
Sure, how much time have you spent in the presence of veterans listening to what they have to teach us? Probably not much, if they wen't buying drinks. If that was the case there would be no VA or the hospitals like Sunnyside.
 

Lovehobby

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Sure, how much time have you spent in the presence of veterans listening to what they have to teach us? Probably not much, if they wen't buying drinks. If that was the case there would be no VA or the hospitals like Sunnyside.
You mean Sunnybrook?
 

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Charlie Chaplin was one dragged to HUAC committee after making the Modern Times movie. One congressman demanded " Mr Chaplin are you a communist?" Charlie responded " I don't know. Suppose you tell me what you think s communist is and then I will be able to tell you if I am one" :)
I'm sure you would be able to explain EXACTLY what communism is,...

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Speaking as a veteran, Veteran Affairs hasn't exactly a stellar track record of dealing with us. But better them than Service Canada who's track record at doing anything is abysmal.
 

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it looks like this thread[along with other threads] has degenerated to a pissing contest between Blackrock and lovehobby............the fact of the matter is that Harper is dissing the one group that goes to the polls and votes, and generally, the over 55 crowd votes for him......also the matter of the Post office, cutting off home delivery and then the CEO justifies by saying seniors want more excercize....ya collecting your mail trying to manouever around snow banks, icy side walks, in -20 degree weather............the Cons are playing with fire...............and dont all you right wing nut bars pontificate that its a great way of saving $ for the tax payers, by changing the visits to Service canada offices.. because closing 7 or 8 visiting centres probably cost a barely a fraction of the veterans affairs budget.................one last thing, Insidious Von is right fantino is a wretched POS, who fits right in with Harper,s god awful Cabinet..
 

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it looks like this thread[along with other threads] has degenerated to a pissing contest between Blackrock and lovehobby............the fact of the matter is that Harper is dissing the one group that goes to the polls and votes, and generally, the over 55 crowd votes for him......also the matter of the Post office, cutting off home delivery and then the CEO justifies by saying seniors want more excercize....ya collecting your mail trying to manouever around snow banks, icy side walks, in -20 degree weather............the Cons are playing with fire...............and dont all you right wing nut bars pontificate that its a great way of saving $ for the tax payers, by changing the visits to Service canada offices.. because closing 7 or 8 visiting centres probably cost a barely a fraction of the veterans affairs budget.................one last thing, Insidious Von is right fantino is a wretched POS, who fits right in with Harper,s god awful Cabinet..
No one is limiting others from participating. I'm surprised that Frank has piped in, as he said he would in a past thread. Harper has governed using a meat cleaver, all in the name of balancing the budget by the next election, no thought given to the short or long term consequences. Fantino is out of his depth, period.
 

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Speaking as a veteran, Veteran Affairs hasn't exactly a stellar track record of dealing with us. But better them than Service Canada who's track record at doing anything is abysmal.
From the mouth of one of those actually involved in the process.
 

ogibowt

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Can you say definitavely Service Canada can't? Isn't this for the most part what they do already? Or are you accusing them of not being competent?

The union flew them up, gave them their talking points. Were seen treating them to dinner. The Minister was delayed in a meeting(veteran affairs in fact). He apologized when he did catch up to them and the 8 vets refused to accept it and called him a liar. Would you consider this to be a good start to a meeting?

It was a set-up by the union. And using wheelchair-bound veterans to boot. Crass.

But on to the point about funding. Does this mean(speaking to both Von and LH) that you would be for increased funding to the military. Are you a supporter on several points?

1. Increased funding to Veteran Affairs
2. Increased wages
3. Increased funding for proper modern equipment and weapon systems so they can do the job with as much safety to the people in uniform as can be had?

Let's see if you both are willing to put the money where the mouth is. Or were they just another Photo-op against the Feds?
the union did fly them, yes..but where is there any evidence they gave them "talking points"...according to you fantino was late, fact...so the union "set up" him being late?..are you on cheap blow?............so if im to determine who has the back of the Vets, whom do i choose,? a union representing their interests or julian fantino?, hhmm touch choice...
 

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I don't deal with Veteran's Affairs often. I'm a young (38 year old) and able bodied Veteran who served in the early 1990s during the Liberal downsizing and restructuring of the military. So I'm not one of the guys who NEEDS Veteran's Affairs but I know plenty who do. And most of them get help only after a long protracted struggle with the existing bureaucracy, and sometimes the help they wanted comes too late if it ever comes at all. And that's with the agency who specifically is charged with dealing with us. Service Canada? It'll be far, far worse as those people haven't an inkling of veteran's needs nor care to learn - they'll just shove into the same box of indifference everyone else gets.

As to politics, members of the military are not overwhelming Conservative voters nor are they overwhelming Liberal voters. I'd say it's pretty divided equally between indifference and support to any of the three major parties (almost no support for any of the other parties). If anything, members of the military tend to avoid politics until out of the service and even then, they are fairly disenfranchised from the whole process.
 

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it looks like this thread[along with other threads] has degenerated to a pissing contest between Blackrock and lovehobby............the fact of the matter is that Harper is dissing the one group that goes to the polls and votes, and generally, the over 55 crowd votes for him......also the matter of the Post office, cutting off home delivery and then the CEO justifies by saying seniors want more excercize....ya collecting your mail trying to manouever around snow banks, icy side walks, in -20 degree weather............the Cons are playing with fire...............and dont all you right wing nut bars pontificate that its a great way of saving $ for the tax payers, by changing the visits to Service canada offices.. because closing 7 or 8 visiting centres probably cost a barely a fraction of the veterans affairs budget.................one last thing, Insidious Von is right fantino is a wretched POS, who fits right in with Harper,s god awful Cabinet..
Blackrock turns every thread into a pissing match. it is all he knows who to do. He stands behind the more knowledgable right wingers and says " ya you go boy, wow take that, got you there" while he hold their jacket.
 

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Don't hold your breath

I stand corrected, but my point still stands.Can't wait for OMG to answer the question.
Still waiting for LH to make a similar statement,...a number of debaters opposing him have admitted to errors,...LH,...???

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blackrock13

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Still waiting for LH to make a similar statement,...a number of debaters opposing him have admitted to errors,...LH,...???

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It's DNA thing. we already have had a peak into his psyche, with his talking about himself in the third person.
 
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