You may be correct, but I don't hear the Minister of Justice having suggested that. True Blue customers - you know the one's that at whom potshots are often taken on TERB, presumably also have the intelligence to write letters to those they know which basically address issues in the third person. Likewise thanks to the Australian Ballot they are even able to vote their conscience without anyone knowing.
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I agree with you 100% and support your attempt at having discussion and debate over the topic. This is one way to educate and encourage participants to act responsibly however this will not impact those individuals who have the base urges to see younger and younger girls/boys whatever.
There are a few thousand woman, many Asian as you mentioned in the sex trade in the GTA, Vancouver, some in Montreal increasingly in Calgary and Edmonton. The public face of prostitution in Canada largely ignores these women. In the GTA, it is unlikely to find Asian street walkers, but likely more than half of the prostitutes in Toronto are Asian involved in holistic, massage, incalls and agencies. The spotlight is not on these women, but on street walkers like the ones who were killed by Picton in Vancouver or in York Region or Calgary, the drive to go after black pimps controlling Caucasian females and the Conservative government will enact laws primarily addressing those groups. No one can argue that these older Asian females are being pimped.
Procurer is indeed a better word although the definition you posted still has negative connotations.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/procurer
This one is better but still wrong. I don't find girls for clients. I find clients for girls.
I value your opinion, have enjoyed some of your posts and wouldn't mind discussing these issues with you but if I'm being 100% honest I find your approach a bit passive aggressive. There is good and bad in this business but painting everyone with the same brush perpetuates the stereotypes. Not every agency owner is a pimp, not every client is a trick and not every escort is a hooker.
This industry should be coming together as a whole to try to incite real and effective change, not trying to trip each other up. Unfortunately, as long as we remain focused on our own little sections of it nothing will change.
Steph
Actually, you're wrong.
"A review of seven national public opinion polls conducted between 1984 and 2011 reveals that, contrary to the CLF and the prime minister's claims, since 2005 a small majority of Canadians favour some form of decriminalization of consensual adult prostitution. The surveys reveal marked gender differences in attitudes to prostitution law reform, with men being more likely to favour decriminalization than women. Three Angus Reid surveys (2009, 2010, 2011) suggest that there is little support for the "Nordic model" of demand-side prohibition."
From https://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/canadian_journal_of_criminology_and_criminal_justice/v054/54.2.lowman.html
This is an Immigration issue. But clamping down on Asian Immigration might involve angry public voices ---so. . .
Steph, I effectively start a conversation in an attempt to not only include, but welcome opinions, input or any form of discussion to bring awareness to ALL issues while also trying to challenge those who do, to offer insight in aspects not "discussed".
Nowhere have I stated my personal opinion.
If you then want to tell me, that even if you do procure and have a moral compass when doing so, that I am not aware of both the bad and the good, then you are making assumptions or putting words into my mouth. I do know that, but Steph, please be realistic in also understanding you are a rarity and do NOT represent the majority of "agencies".
I will also state Steph, having been around for some time- you and I are both aware that organized crime is very much involved in the industry, both in the higher tiered agency aspect, as well as street level thug "pimps".
Where you feel I am passive- aggressive, I am simply showing all aspects, some obvious, some not.
At the very least... It makes people think.
I can also reserve my personal opinion, which won't change- while still being openminded enough to take your opinion, and viewpoints into account and respect what you do think, even if I believe differently than you do.
So, I'd love to talk- in fact I was going to call... But wasn't sure if that would be welcomed even if we don't agree on "everything".
These older Asian sex workers are likely Canadian citizens already and did not come to Canada to be sex workers originally as opposed to the sex tourists coming on working holiday or student visas who stay for a year work as escorts and then leave. The SCC ruling and the coming interests of the Harper Government in addressing prostitution do not pertain to the above.
We are saying the same things from different perspectives. In fact I completely agree on a lot of your points. Most of what is "wrong" with this industry isn't obvious to most....even those who fancy themselves "insiders".
I don't believe I'm a rarity though. There are a lot of good people, most of those just aren't as opinionated and vocal as I am. Lol.
Call anytime it would be good to chat
. Steph
If there's one thing that gets my panties in a bunch, if I wore them... is not being able to reply, with all of your quote
But you my friend, nailed it... although I will correct one small thing;
While starting the conversation and making people "aware" when paired with "action" it does make a difference.
If each one of us, were responsible and accountable and took a stand- there would be an impact.
The problem is: it usually isn't until it affects them directly... Which is sometimes too late.
So while I believe "this" conversation won't divert sick fucks who exploit children, if us "responsible" people worked together to make sure their was accountability, to protect children who may not be our own; under the premise IT could be, and everyone did their part... it would make a difference.
Perhaps the nordic model has it pit falls, maybe it would enable protecting the "vulnerable" or maybe there's a solution outside that, like raising the legal age, altering the consequences if anyone obtains the services of a minor, or maybe working along those direct lines.
At this moment, I don't have all the answers. But if all of this makes one person think, or has the audience to act as a 'voice' then it served a well intended purpose.
One has to wonder about the organization that pushed this on the agenda during a conservative govt. I think they are morons and did their membership a huge disservice. There is no question we will go with the Nordic model. I would wager a fair sum of money on it. Anyone who is in this business better start making plans to find a new career path. I will probably spend much less time in Canada. This country is really turning into a conservative shithole.
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I think your wording of "pushed" is interesting.
Irregardless of personal agendas, the issues surrounding prostitution have been swept under the carpet for a very long time. In fact, suppressing this has made it even more to have to deal with when 'pushed' to because of inaction.
The government having to "address" this and the discord in trying to do so, leaves many with the option at the "poles" and also taking an active part in being an advocate for your beliefs.
