Who Are The Pedophiles?

[MadonnaLove]

What does that make you?

so what do you think should be done to pedophiles buttercup ? is there really a cure for pedophiles ?

 

[Aardvark154]

Because we would be stupid and unwise to think that the RCC, or the Boy Scouts are unique problems if we care about your children and our society.

Even at the height of the RCC pedo problem the rate in the RCC remained lower than public schools, and probably in the public at large.

If you care about protecting children, and understanding this problem, you have to look at it in a realistic way, not just where vibrant headlines and your own biases lead you.

If all you care about is calling groups or people you already don't like pedos (see recent groggy example), than carry on in the same fashion. You will have plenty of company. You will not be understanding this problem, but you will not be lonely.

Needless to say entirely true. Also predictably unpopular.

 

[rld]

I don't believe I've seen that information here. Please supply it.

I am heading out but will get you the links Monday. If you find them yourself over the weekend feel free to let me know. They include Newsweek, USA Today, and Macleans, as well as several major university and abuse groups.

 

[Aardvark154]

so what do you think should be done to pedophiles buttercup ? is there really a cure for pedophiles ?

Like every other "philia" are we talking about people who have the urge or people who act out on the urge?

If you fight the urge every day and don't act out on it are you still deserving of being burned alive?

As already said is the person who would burn others to death really any better than those they would burn?

 

[MadonnaLove]

So do you think pedophiles get the right treatment to arrest their sickness or does being locked up make any difference when they return to society? most are repeat offenders !

 

[bobistheowl]

This isn't to downplay the crimes committed by some priests but pedophiles likely are equally distributed throughout professions. You can't just become a priest by filling out a job application like you would to get a job at Tim Horton's. I'm going to guess that a pedophile would have to be pretty damn motivated to become a priest for the sole reason that he will have easy access to children. It's akin to suggesting some guys become anesthesiologists or psychiatrists for the sole reason that they will have easy access to women who can't fight them off and/or very vulnerable women. It's more likely that someone who happens to be a pedophile became a priest for other reasons. Most sexual abuse is committed by a male relative of the victimized child rather than a non-related adult the child trusts (priest, school teacher, scout leader, etc)

I think there are probably quite a few Catholic priests who had pedophilic urges before joining the clergy. Their motivation was not to have easy access to children from a position of authority, but rather to attempt to overcome those urges through celibacy.

The same probably applies to many homosexual priests. Their natural sexual orientation is considered sinful to their Faith, and to themselves. Rather than act upon it, they chose a lifestyle in which they are not allowed to. Some have enough strength of character to overcome their biological drives. Some do not.

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Am I wrong or are you just whining? I know the real world is not your friend, but some facts would help you a lot if you have a point to prove. But it appears you don't, beyond your apparent dislike of the RCC and the Boy Scouts.

I guess children who are molested in settings you don't hate don't matter.

You're priceless.

Still have a direct line to moderators for posts you don't like? Makes arguing with you pointless, no?

Keep blowing smoke fella. I have a life.

 

[blackrock13]

Am I wrong or are you just whining? I know the real world is not your friend, but some facts would help you a lot if you have a point to prove. But it appears you don't, beyond your apparent dislike of the RCC and the Boy Scouts.

I guess children who are molested in settings you don't hate don't matter.

You're priceless.

Still have a direct line to moderators for posts you don't like? Makes arguing with you pointless, no?

Keep blowing smoke fella. I have a life.

No one, contrary to what you and RS would like to think, has no special direct line to Fred& company

So why don't you answer his question?

 

[Ref]

Unfortunately the penalties handed out just do not seem just...

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/media/text/20131112-project_spade_arrests.pdf

 

[Ref]

What disturbs me is how organized these sickos are. Just like that U of T professor, who happened to be Wynn's right hand man, the guy that Wynn personally approved to set the agenda for sexual education in the classroom.

Wynn worked side-by-side with this sick bastard and lapped up every drop of this sick fuck's hyperbole like a starving puppy. She deserves to be kicked to the side of the curb based on her extremely poor judgement of character and complete lack of care and understanding about such an important matter.

 

[Scarey]

Fascinating article about how this all went down.I think one of the bigger questions is how did it go on so long without being caught?This was not PTP trading, this was a 4 million dollar business....Would the credit card companies have any culpability?This could even challenge the definition of what CP is considered as......take a read.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...national_child_pornography_investigation.html

 

[Aardvark154]

One also wonders how many naïve people were lured into perdition by the following: "[The website] had an extensive legal page, where clients were assured that 'no film we sell violates Canadian or American law.'

But if police can prove. . . that the videos focused on the genital area, and were for a 'sexual purpose' rather than for artistic merit, they can build a case for child exploitation."

Of course the above is Canadian Law, the law in the U.S. and elsewhere is different.

 

[basketcase]

...
As already said is the person who would burn others to death really any better than those they would burn?

Especially when they already get a warm welcome from other prisoners.

 

[Rockslinger]

So do you think pedophiles get the right treatment to arrest their sickness

Maybe chemical castration, maybe.

 

[groggy]

So do you think pedophiles get the right treatment to arrest their sickness or does being locked up make any difference when they return to society? most are repeat offenders !

From what I've read, treatment is about as successful as treating gays for their homosexuality.
Kinks are kinks and those stuck with ones that are harmful to children will always be a menace to society.
I have no idea what you do with them, other then lock them up forever or find ways to keep them away from children.
Read a touch of an article 'I, Pedophile' or something or other (couldn't read much, it creeped me out too much), by a very self aware pedophile who would never touch a kid.
But even those knowing the damages and who would never personally touch a child spend countless hours trolling for kiddie porn, which is just as damaging as touching a kid yourself in my opinion.

They are fucked.
And they will probably never get over it or change.

So what do you do with them?

 

[Sophia Sinclair]

Unfortunately the penalties handed out just do not seem just...

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/media/text/20131112-project_spade_arrests.pdf

This is very true!

Clearly there needs to be more education on the matter and more advocacy against it, forcing more stringent penalties for these types of infractions. Drinking and driving wasn't considered that big a problem until groups like MADD started advocating against it, forcing policy/law makers to introduce stricter penalties.

 

[buttercup]

so what do you think should be done to pedophiles buttercup ? is there really a cure for pedophiles?

Well, I can't think the answer to the problem is to put 348 people, most of whom are accused of possessiing child porn, in a building, then lock the doors and windows, and then torch the building. And I can't think you do either. This is Canada.

Is there a cure for pedophiles? I know you were asking the question rhetorically, but I will answer it, as follows.

I assume the pedophiles' desire for sexual contact with children is more or less as strong as my desire for sexual contact with adult women. I know the strength of that desire in me, and I cannot believe anything could ever "cure" me of it. So, by analogy, no, I don't believe there could ever be a cure for pedophiles.

But I don't regard mere possession of child porn as such a major crime that it warrants setting fire to the perverts accused of it. If the perverts can find solace in viewing pics, and they never do any harm to any child, why do we need to get our knickers so twisted about that?

There is no comparison between mere possession of a large collection of pics, and causing actual harm to an actual child. Of course, anyone who actually does harm to a child, they must pay for that. But if we are going to set fire to someone, let that someone be someone who has committed very real harm to a real child.

I regard the difference between possessing child porn and molesting a child, as, more or less, the same as the difference between possessing "normal" porn and committing "normal" rape. The one is perfectly harmless, while the other is a huge criminal offence carrying very harsh penalties.

 

[LurkingInMyTent]

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I regard the difference between possessing child porn and molesting a child, as, more or less, the same as the difference between possessing "normal" porn and committing "normal" rape. The one is perfectly harmless, while the other is a huge criminal offence carrying very harsh penalties.

The glaring failure of this comparison is that the very act of creating the child porn does terrible damage to the children who are exploited to produce it - and so anyone who "consumes" such material is in a very direct way contributing to the crime.

 

[mur11]

Well, I can't think the answer to the problem is to put 348 people, most of whom are accused of possessiing child porn, in a building, then lock the doors and windows, and then torch the building. And I can't think you do either. This is Canada.

Is there a cure for pedophiles? I know you were asking the question rhetorically, but I will answer it, as follows.

I assume the pedophiles' desire for sexual contact with children is more or less as strong as my desire for sexual contact with adult women. I know the strength of that desire in me, and I cannot believe anything could ever "cure" me of it. So, by analogy, no, I don't believe there could ever be a cure for pedophiles.

But I don't regard mere possession of child porn as such a major crime that it warrants setting fire to the perverts accused of it. If the perverts can find solace in viewing pics, and they never do any harm to any child, why do we need to get our knickers so twisted about that?

There is no comparison between mere possession of a large collection of pics, and causing actual harm to an actual child. Of course, anyone who actually does harm to a child, they must pay for that. But if we are going to set fire to someone, let that someone be someone who has committed very real harm to a real child.

I regard the difference between possessing child porn and molesting a child, as, more or less, the same as the difference between possessing "normal" porn and committing "normal" rape. The one is perfectly harmless, while the other is a huge criminal offence carrying very harsh penalties.

Nope. Not even close
I've seen your rather 'liberal' views on this subject before and it's flat wrong
People seeking pictures of child pornography is what creates the demand that leads to distributors creating child porn
Viewing child pornography means that you acquiescing to that child being taken advantage of. As well, it is well documented that many child molesters start off by viewing child pornography before they harm a child

I agree with you that setting fire to a building with viewers of child pornography inside of it is hardly the answer. However your analogy equating viewers of child pornography with viewers of normal pornography is offensive and insulting, quite frankly.

 

[MadonnaLove]

Is there a cure for pedophiles? I know you were asking the question rhetorically, but I will answer it, as follows.


But I don't regard mere possession of child porn as such a major crime that it warrants setting fire to the perverts accused of it. If the perverts can find solace in viewing pics, and they never do any harm to any child, why do we need to get our knickers so twisted about that?

There is no comparison between mere possession of a large collection of pics, and causing actual harm to an actual child. Of course, anyone who actually does harm to a child, they must pay for that. But if we are going to set fire to someone, let that someone be someone who has committed very real harm to a real child.

I regard the difference between possessing child porn and molesting a child, as, more or less, the same as the difference between possessing "normal" porn and committing "normal" rape. The one is perfectly harmless, while the other is a huge criminal offence carrying very harsh penalties.

seriously buttercup viewing child porn is harmful too children i need to put you on ignore. I'm disgusted at your response