Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

[slowandeasy]

How exactly do you publish a story, without creating a sensation, the essence of which is "the mayor smokes crack, no not a figure of speech, he really does smoke crack"?

Rob Ford created the sensational news. The Star simply reported it. They were honest and accurate in all their reporting on Ford.

What you are experiencing is called cognitive dissonance. You made all these really out of the park accusations, actually believed the bullshit you were posting, but now you are trying to absorb the facts that have forced you to realize you were wrong.

So you are getting even angrier at Ford than I am, meanwhile trying to salvage as much of the nonsense you posted as possible.


Plainly you are one of those who sees the world in partisan terms. If you disagree with a politician you are incapable of seeing their strengths, and if you support someone you can't see their weaknesses. You assume that anyone who praises or criticizes Ford or any other politician does so because of their politics. You are wrong.

I am capable of separating my political views from my assessment of the situation and from my assessment of an individual. This is how I am able to credit Harper as an effective leader while rejecting his politics.

When I wrote that people would have given Ford a chance if he were only smoking weed and getting drunk I wasn't speaking of myself. I would never vote for him. But that is an accurate assessment of the voting public in Toronto.

You are incapable of separating your opinions from your assessment of the facts, but don't assume that other people suffer from the same disorder.

LOL... keep digging Fuji, the more you post, the funnier it gets. Not bothering to respond to all the above, will instead cherry pick the easiest.

Of course I am angrier at Ford right now than you are. Anyone who supported him has a right to be severely pissed off. That fact that you seem to think that shows
some weakness in character is even funnier.

Plainly you are one of those who sees the world in partisan terms. If you disagree with a politician you are incapable of seeing their strengths, and if you support someone you can't see their weaknesses. You assume that anyone who praises or criticizes Ford or any other politician does so because of their politics. You are wrong..

I really love this part. It is what I (and others) have told you from the beginning, but somehow you figure we are the ones who are partisan. Are you sure that Rob is not your long lost brother?

I don't hate Ford, but as you can see his stupidity will only serve to validate people like yourself who cannot see the hypocrisy of their positions or the reality of our current situation.
City hall was f'ed up before Rob Ford came in, and now it is even more f'ed up.

Like I said, keep posting, I enjoy feasting on Roasted Fuji.

 

[mandrill]

i think we should accept the Chief's word that the video cannot be currently released. The matter is before the courts as it affects Sandro Lisi. It is evidence in his case. The matter of its release has been reviewed and adjudicated by a Superior Court judge.

There may be a number of complicated legal principles at play, including the obligation of the police and Crown to protect innocent 3rd Party witnesses and informants. The public is simply not privy to the reasons that the video is being with held.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

i think we should accept the Chief's word that the video cannot be currently released. The matter is before the courts as it affects Sandro Lisi. It is evidence in his case. The matter of its release has been reviewed and adjudicated by a Superior Court judge.

There may be a number of complicated legal principles at play, including the obligation of the police and Crown to protect innocent 3rd Party witnesses and informants. The public is simply not privy to the reasons that the video is being with held

Maybe cops can release the video and blur out any other people in it besides the mayor. And also bleep out any audio of anyone else in video besides Rob Ford

 

[slowandeasy]

I'm not exactly the poster boy for Weight Watchers, but let me say this: I don't want to see it.

Ultimately, though, Ford has no choice but to step down. The circus around his personal life is out of control.

The criticisms aren't entirely fair.

For example, some of the people who say he must resign for lying never felt that way about Dalton McGuinty. Nor do they feel that way about Kathleen (I knew nothing about the gas plants closures) Wynne.

But in politics, the coverup is always worse than the crime. Ford has lost control of the scandals surrounding his personal demons. He should step down.

As much as I despise what Dalton did, he escaped before the shit hit the fan. Wynn has a decent out because of McGuinty. She might be lying about her role, but
it becomes hard to prove, unless we can find actual evidence (say emails, etc. ).

With ford, he denied that there was a video, now he is saying lets see the video. If the video was found on Lisi's computer, then it is even more damaging, but the fact that
the video of Ford exists is damaging. Even if ford says that he is "pretending" to smoke crack in the video, the fact that he claimed that the video did not exist is too much.
Ford could be one of those people who forgets everything once they get drunk, and that is an alibi, but at this point, it does not really matter.

Now we are at the point where we go back to all the other incidents and view them a bit differently.

 

[slowandeasy]

i think we should accept the Chief's word that the video cannot be currently released. The matter is before the courts as it affects Sandro Lisi. It is evidence in his case. The matter of its release has been reviewed and adjudicated by a Superior Court judge.

There may be a number of complicated legal principles at play, including the obligation of the police and Crown to protect innocent 3rd Party witnesses and informants. The public is simply not privy to the reasons that the video is being with held.

Agree with the above assessment, except for one point. The 3rd party innocent is supposed to be ford, who wants the video shown.
Also, if the extortion case is against Lisi for trying to get the video, then would he video not be evidence in an ongoing case?

I think they should release the video, but I take the Chiefs word.

 

[blackrock13]

I noticed that the tv and radio reports are recently more careful in their reporting, now saying that the video reportedly shows the major smoking 'a crack pipe', not smoking crack. I wonder if they know something not being reported.

 

[slowandeasy]

Lol...

 

[MattRoxx]

:Eek:
Warmington makes a pretty good point.

How would any of us fare if we were followed for a few months, and had our phones taken and perused through, had computer activity searched, and on-line activity recorded, and scrutinized by our families/ friends/ colleagues let alone the entire general public!!??

Answer honestly...

Warmington's point is completely disingenuous.
Over a decade ago, Ford decided to become a career politician. So he's had lots of time to get his act together, to put a stop to his vices.
Back during the Conflict Of Interest hearing, Ford claimed he never read the COI guidelines and didn't need to, because his father had been an MPP. And so using that same argument, Ford HAD to known that getting into politics meant he'd be under a microscope.
So it's not at all like you or me or anyone else who choose NOT to go into politics.

What I compare being a Toronto politician to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later, if you drive while reading the paper, go out in public while drunk, smoke crack, and throw insults at city hall reporters, you're going to get bitten.
Well no wonder it happened. Politics is made for people who don't smoke crack and hang out with thugs and drug dealers; for people who can work with others without constantly insulting everyone who disagrees; for people who can build consensus among their peers to get things done.
Not for people who buy ad time on radio to fund a 2-hour bitch session every weekend in which they rant and rave and toss insults at everyone they don't like or who disagrees.
So when I read about Ford being killed in the press now, it's his own fault at the end of the day.

 

[MattRoxx]

Question for oagre: Looking through the court documents there are A LOT of phone calls between Ford and Lisi. Did the 'production order' allow the police to record what was said, or just log time, location, length of call?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I noticed that the tv and radio reports are recently more careful in their reporting, now saying that the video reportedly shows the major smoking 'a crack pipe', not smoking crack. I wonder if they know something not being reported

It sounds like they are just covering their tracks legally so they can't get sued if it turns out its hash Ford is smoking

 

[MattRoxx]

It sounds like they are just covering their tracks legally so they can't get sued if it turns out its hash Ford is smoking

And it sounds to me like the police are hoping Lisi or someone else rolls over on Ford, which would make him a defendant or co-conspirator in the extortion scheme. And then the video(s) could come into play as direct evidence.

 

[fluffy]

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!

There is so much bullshit in your post that it turned brown. This is really offensive.The hate for Rob Ford was always about his fiscally conservative position, his bombastic ways, that he was not part of the name brand wearing, Louis Vuitton crowd who played the political game by "saying all the right things." This is what you are doing now Fuji, trying to say "the right things".

The fact is that if Ford had come out saying that it was him in the video, and that it was all a hoax, or that it was week in the pipe, you and the Ford Haters would still have crucified him.

Like your boy Rob Ford, if you would just tell the truth, we would have more respect for you. Instead, like your boy Rob Ford, you drop this pile of steaming, smelly dung on us.

You and your ilk often talk about Ford haters, but I think what really drives these "haters" is not so much hatred for Ford, but an angry exasperation at morons like yourself, Ridgeman08 and others with your heads so far up you asses you refused to believe what was obvious to any informed person with a bit of common sense.

 

[groggy]

I think they should release the video, but I take the mayor's word.

I can't believe that there is anyone left who is stupid enough to take the Mayor's word for anything, at this point.
You take the cake, slowandslower.


I do wonder if Ford asked his lawyer about the likelihood of the tape being released and now knowing that the police can't easily release, is using that information to try to make it look like its the police that are withholding information. That seems like something Ford might do, but its also probably above his intelligence level to think of something like that, he is after all smart like subway subway subway.

Also interesting is that if they got this information from Lisi's computer, and that isn't clear, then that means they've only recently had access to that computer and its not properly deleted files. Which means they could still be sifting through information on this ongoing investigation.

Tomorrow's radio show should be quite hilarious as well.
Can they manage to keep all calls screened or will they not take calls and just rant on about the police and the press?

 

[shack]

I think statements like this

but an angry exasperation at morons like yourself, Ridgeman08 and others with your heads so far up you asses you refused to believe what was obvious to any informed person with a bit of common sense.

is a great way to disprove this:

You and your ilk often talk about Ford haters, but I think what really drives these "haters" is not so much hatred for Ford

Angry tone and insults indicate a lot of underlying emotion, i.e. HATRED.

 

[basketcase]

Maybe cops can release the video and blur out any other people in it besides the mayor. And also bleep out any audio of anyone else in video besides Rob Ford

But then Ford Nation would say it was edited.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Wynne has a decent out because of McGuinty. She might be lying about her role, but it becomes hard to prove, unless we can find actual evidence (say emails, etc. ).

True, but you could say similar things about Ford.

While he has publicly admitted to having smoked a lot of dope, it hasn't been proven that he smokes crack. And at the time when he said there was no videotape, he might have believed that was true (he may have believed the tape had been destroyed).

I do think it's a bit rich for Liberal supporters to call for Ford's head because he appears to have been lying.

That said (and before anti-Ford Nation pounces on me), I still think Ford should resign. Not so much for lying, but because the crisis around him is out of control.

Political leaders are expected to manage crises that emerge, even in situations where they are fighting with some news outlets that hate them.

 

[slowandeasy]

You and your ilk often talk about Ford haters, but I think what really drives these "haters" is not so much hatred for Ford, but an angry exasperation at morons like yourself, Ridgeman08 and others with your heads so far up you asses you refused to believe what was obvious to any informed person with a bit of common sense.

ROFLMAO... not that it is going to make a difference to you, but rather than getting angry and exasperated with us, why not read many of us have posted. Speaking only for myself, when Lisi was busted for trafficking you did not have much but a bunch
of squaking gossip.

My post that you quoted was directed to fuji, but since you quoted it I assumed you read it. Like your ilk, rather than addressing the question, you attack the messenger. You pretend to take the higher moral ground but do not have the integrity to
admit your own bias.

To wrap it up: You and your ilk are like psychics. Only about 1 or 2% of what you say will come true, but in your minds you are 100%.

Keep on digging, you might eventually hit gold.

 

[slowandeasy]

I can't believe that there is anyone left who is stupid enough to take the Mayor's word for anything, at this point.
You take the cake, slowandslower.


I do wonder if Ford asked his lawyer about the likelihood of the tape being released and now knowing that the police can't easily release, is using that information to try to make it look like its the police that are withholding information. That seems like something Ford might do, but its also probably above his intelligence level to think of something like that, he is after all smart like subway subway subway.

Also interesting is that if they got this information from Lisi's computer, and that isn't clear, then that means they've only recently had access to that computer and its not properly deleted files. Which means they could still be sifting through information on this ongoing investigation.

Tomorrow's radio show should be quite hilarious as well.
Can they manage to keep all calls screened or will they not take calls and just rant on about the police and the press?

LOl... Fixed my typo.. it was supposed to say "chief's word" meaning the chief of police. You might have clued in on that had you read my other posts.

 

[slowandeasy]

I'll sum up tomorrow's show for you:

R:Good afternoon boys and girls...(chuckling in the background).
D:Well what a week it was. It sure was. Looks like the lefties and the lefty media are up to their old tricks and are continuing their smear campaign.
R: errr...(mutters under breath) those reporters are maggots.
D: Well now, Rob let's not go on that road again. You know how sensitive they are.
They continue to attack you because you're the world's most honest politictian in the world. We are the only administration in history to
save the tax payer $100,000,000,000. And the lefties don't like it!
R: I meet people every day that tell me..(in a trembling voice says)..."Stay the course....Stay the course!"
etc.etc.etc.

They proceed to take a number of calls that tell them what a great job their doing and not to let the lefties get to them.

Then: 25 minutes of community calender telling us where the latest bake sale will be happening.

There! I saved you 2 hours.

Shit, you must write their scrip.

 

[groggy]

While he has publicly admitted to having smoked a lot of dope, it hasn't been proven that he smokes crack. And at the time when he said there was no videotape, he might have believed that was true (he may have believed the tape had been destroyed).

Think of it this way.

So far the extortion case appears to be about Lisi trying to get the cracksmoking tape back for Ford.
But what if the gang members who were at the crackhouse or had the video were able to extort Ford?
For all we know he could easily be doing stuff for gang members, or for whoever had that rumoured sex tape.

We don't know if any of that's true, but its all quite possible given the situation and the pathetic lying the mayor continues.
In that case, he could be putting the city at the mercy of the gang he's been hanging out with.

For that alone, he should be removed from power.