In 17 seasons with the Dolphins, Marino completed 59 percent of his passes for just over 61,000 yards with the aforementioned 420 touchdowns to go along with 252 interceptions. In his 16th season he is now just 404 yards away . Lets say Manning wins another ring . What will that do with his ranking as one of the best ?
Peyton Manning is fast approaching Dan Marino
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I boldly predict that it will not hurt his ranking.In 17 seasons with the Dolphins, Marino completed 59 percent of his passes for just over 61,000 yards with the aforementioned 420 touchdowns to go along with 252 interceptions. In his 16th season he is now just 404 yards away . Lets say Manning wins another ring . What will that do with his ranking as one of the best ?
Is this your shtick ? Along with going on sports threads you don't follow and say the word " suck "I boldly predict that it will not hurt his ranking.
Not enough coffee this morning. I read that as "Preston Manning is fast approaching Dan Marino", and wondered what the fuck the two of them had in common.
One thing to keep in mind too is that the league has evolved too . It is more a passing league now than ever before. And that effects the numbers. On Sunday Night Rodney Harrison said that if The Sheriff doesn't win a SB this year and doesn't win at least one more ring then his career may be considered a disappointment (in terms of what he could have accomplished) .In 17 seasons with the Dolphins, Marino completed 59 percent of his passes for just over 61,000 yards with the aforementioned 420 touchdowns to go along with 252 interceptions. In his 16th season he is now just 404 yards away . Lets say Manning wins another ring . What will that do with his ranking as one of the best ?
I do agree though that this is the most complete team 18 has ever played with. Through 4 weeks the ONLY weakness I see on this Broncos team is that their defense cannot generate any pressure on opposing QBs without blitzing. Their front 4 isn't getting the job done right now in terms of pressuring the QB. However, that problem should be resolved when Von Miller returns. Though OCs will be able to game-plan/scheme for him better this year given that he doesn't have his running mate Dumerveil playing opposite him anymore. Other than that defensively I like what I see. Pot Roast is a guy I have always been a fan of even in his Jacksonville days. Very good pick up for the Broncos. Their D-Tackles have done a good job of keeping their linebackers clean allowing them to make plays. The Broncos also have a lot of good cover-guys not only in the defensive backfield but at linebacker as well with Woodyard & Trevaythan. 52 & 59 really do a solid job in pass-coverage against tight ends and backs. Ihenacho has impressed at safety too. Moreover, the Broncos are also playing solid special-teams and that cannot be understated as that phase of the game is often overlooked by many but it is very important. Offensively, I am not sure how you stop that team. They got Welker and Thomas inside, they got Decker and Thomas outside. If you play too much coverage (2 high safeties) then 18 is more than willing to hand the ball off to any of their 3 talented backs. And they have backs that can run between-the-tackles and have perimeter speed. And Peyton is playing GREAT. It is one thing to read coverages well but Peyton is also reading blitz-packages well too. That TD pass he threw in the OAK game where he saw Burnett stacking Woodson in the slot and he recognized that Woodson was gonna come on a slot-corner blitz and he immediately knew that he had Thomas and Burnett one-on-one and he exploited that.
One thing to keep an eye on is Chris Clark. I don't think any player will be under more scrutiny over the next month or two in Denver than Chris Clark. Can he hold up against a guy like Tamba Hali when they play the Chiefs?
Manning is a true Student of the game..
The way he picks apart a defense and exploits their weakness is amazing....But greatness is and always will be based on the # of rings...QB's with all the talent to win a SB Marino...Tarkenton were winners but not at the SHOW..some will say they were unfulfilled careers...All records aside
Manning needs to win atleast 1 more...
The way he picks apart a defense and exploits their weakness is amazing....But greatness is and always will be based on the # of rings...QB's with all the talent to win a SB Marino...Tarkenton were winners but not at the SHOW..some will say they were unfulfilled careers...All records aside
Manning needs to win atleast 1 more...
You are spot-on when you say 18 is a student of the game. He puts in as much work in the "classroom" studying as he does practicing on the field. Totally in agreement.Manning is a true Student of the game..
The way he picks apart a defense and exploits their weakness is amazing....But greatness is and always will be based on the # of rings...QB's with all the talent to win a SB Marino...Tarkenton were winners but not at the SHOW..some will say they were unfulfilled careers...All records aside
Manning needs to win atleast 1 more...
I sort of agree and disagree on SB rings being the barometer for greatness though. Reason I say this is because football is the ULTIMATE team sport. Sure, when evaluating TEAMS rings are the barometer but when evaluating individual PLAYERS I think we have to look beyond just rings. Rings should be part of it but just one variable in the overall evaluation of any player . So yes rings are a factor but certainly not the sole factor and may or may not be the most important factor either. The example I would use is Ed Reed. Reed just won his first superbowl last year. Suppose the Ravens had not won the superbowl last year. Would that effect your opinion of Ed Reed in terms of the all time great free safeties to ever play the game? Truth be known I think Ed Reed is the best FS to ever play the game even before he won the Superbowl.
You asked what winning a Super Bowl would do to his all time ranking.Is this your shtick ? Along with going on sports threads you don't follow and say the word " suck "
The choices are get worse, get better or stay the same. I said his ranking would not get worse. Is there a problem? Would anybody in their right mind think winning a SB could do anything other help?
IMO it was a silly question because the answer is so blatantly obvious. Hence my bold prediction.
I don't agree with it either.. plenty of great players never won a ring...but that's what they will be judged on..You are spot-on when you say 18 is a student of the game. He puts in as much work in the "classroom" studying as he does practicing on the field. Totally in agreement.
I sort of agree and disagree on SB rings being the barometer for greatness though. Reason I say this is because football is the ULTIMATE team sport. Sure, when evaluating TEAMS rings are the barometer but when evaluating individual PLAYERS I think we have to look beyond just rings. Rings should be part of it but just one variable in the overall evaluation of any player . So yes rings are a factor but certainly not the sole factor and may or may not be the most important factor either. The example I would use is Ed Reed. Reed just won his first superbowl last year. Suppose the Ravens had not won the superbowl last year. Would that effect your opinion of Ed Reed in terms of the all time great free safeties to ever play the game? Truth be known I think Ed Reed is the best FS to ever play the game even before he won the Superbowl.
QB is the Glory position as well as the RB or WR....although Baltimores last SB win can be attributed more to Ray Ray Ed Reed and a few others! than the QB.
The Vikings 4 SB losses..you had Tarkenton ..Foreman on offence Page and his fellow purple people eaters on defence HOF all of them....but ask them if they'd give it all back for 1 ring.
I played to win..period...not to garner accolades from my peers or sports writers to get into some HOF...
Peyton is the greatest regular season qb in history. I think his teams have only won less than 10 games twice(excluding his 2011 IR season) and one of those was his rookie season. The aspect that is most troubling to me is that he has lost a boat load of home playoff games. I really don't think Polian did that great a job of adding talent around Peyton. Looking back the Caldwell hiring was a huge mistake. Polian should've brought in a strong HC then.
Just to clarify, when you said Baltimore's last SB win can be attributed more to Ray & Ed Reed were you referring to the 2000 SB win? If so Ed Reed wasn't in the league yet then unless I am mistaken. That defense was great though with guys like Chris Mcallister, Tony Siragusa, Sam Adams in addition to Ray Lewis.I don't agree with it either.. plenty of great players never won a ring...but that's what they will be judged on..
QB is the Glory position as well as the RB or WR....although Baltimores last SB win can be attributed more to Ray Ray Ed Reed and a few others! than the QB.
The Vikings 4 SB losses..you had Tarkenton ..Foreman on offence Page and his fellow purple people eaters on defence HOF all of them....but ask them if they'd give it all back for 1 ring.
I played to win..period...not to garner accolades from my peers or sports writers to get into some HOF...
One thing I dislike about football though is how the QB is the glory position as you said. As a fan of defense I just wish more love would be given to defense and to offensive lineman as well. I know it is not sexy to talk about offensive lineman or defensive players and I recognize that the QB is the most important position in football but sometimes I feel like fans and media make it like the QB is the only player on the field.
Another factor that it makes it difficult to compare stats is not only the natural evolution of the game as I mentioned previously but also other variables such as the fact that 18 played way more games indoors than Marino did. I would argue that if Marino played as many games indoors as Manning then Marino's numbers would be higher than they ended up being. Because of these confounding variables that come into the equation when dealing with stats I always feel like the best way to evaluate and compare is simply using the good old eye-ball test but even then comparing players from different eras is challenging.In 17 seasons with the Dolphins, Marino completed 59 percent of his passes for just over 61,000 yards with the aforementioned 420 touchdowns to go along with 252 interceptions. In his 16th season he is now just 404 yards away . Lets say Manning wins another ring . What will that do with his ranking as one of the best ?
Good point ... Marino had to play in cities like New York , Buffalo , and New England on a yearly basis .Another factor that it makes it difficult to compare stats is not only the natural evolution of the game as I mentioned previously but also other variables such as the fact that 18 played way more games indoors than Marino did. I would argue that if Marino played as many games indoors as Manning then Marino's numbers would be higher than they ended up being. Because of these confounding variables that come into the equation when dealing with stats I always feel like the best way to evaluate and compare is simply using the good old eye-ball test but even then comparing players from different eras is challenging.
