Blue Jays, 2013 edition

[mandrill]

The "insiders" are already laying hints that Gibby will be fired. So it is probably in the cards.

 

[Butler1000]

Anybosy else liking this kid Goins at second? I know it early but he seems really composed out there.
I think Lind is gone. But I wonder about this. Melky as DH mainly and Gose up full time.
Could actually work.

 

[mandrill]

Anybody else liking this kid Goins at second? I know it early but he seems really composed out there.
I think Lind is gone. But I wonder about this. Melky as DH mainly and Gose up full time.
Could actually work.

Yup. I think. Although I would like to see Rajai back, I don't think it will happen. Goins looks promising, but it's way too early to tell w any of them yet.

 

[saxon]

Nice to see the Jays finally beat the Yanks, and that the bullpen did its job for a change.

 

[mandrill]

If you check the figures, Buehrle and Dickey actually don't have bad seasons. They're both down close to 4.00 ERA and almost .500 in w/l. Not the way the season was supposed to have fared, but far from an awful effort by either.

 

[Jennifer_]

Yup. I think. Although I would like to see Rajai back, I don't think it will happen. Goins looks promising, but it's way too early to tell w any of them yet.

Id rather have Rajai any day over Melky but Rajai is probably gone.

Goins is very-impressive. I like Pillar too. (Ive always liked Gose and Sierra)

I know its early but my gut says Goins can be up here rather than keep Izturis at second. .. (I still hope Kawasaki keeps a bench spot.... and I love De Rosa.)

Im so happy with Brett!

The season is done- I am happy the Bisons guys have a chance to taste the big league.

Tampa Bay is successful because the have looked from within. - it's nice to see the Jays evaluating their AAA players in the big league arena...

 

[mightymouse007]

If you check the figures, Buehrle and Dickey actually don't have bad seasons. They're both down close to 4.00 ERA and almost .500 in w/l. Not the way the season was supposed to have fared, but far from an awful effort by either.

The problem is, too many of our pitchers are injury prone. Brendan Morrow can never stay healthy. The list goes on with other pitchers we have: Drabek, Hutchinson, Santos, McGowan, Josh Johnson, Steve Delebar, etc. I can't think of another team that has that many arms with Tommy John Surgery. Tampa Bay on the other hand only had 1 pitcher that had TJ since like 6-7 years ago.

Something tells me our pitching coach isn't doing their job handling our pitchers.

Our starting OF of Melky, Rasmus, and Bautista all injured.

I think both Buerhle and Dickey are better suited for the NL. We should honestly trade them while they still have value. This team is not going to win with just Dickey and Buerhle staying healthy over a 162 games season.

 

[Jennifer_]

The problem is, too many of our pitchers are injury prone. Brendan Morrow can never stay healthy. The list goes on with other pitchers we have: Drabek, Hutchinson, Santos, McGowan, Josh Johnson, Steve Delebar, etc. I can't think of another team that has that many arms with Tommy John Surgery. Tampa Bay on the other hand only had 1 pitcher that had TJ since like 6-7 years ago.

Something tells me our pitching coach isn't doing their job handling our pitchers.

Our starting OF of Melky, Rasmus, and Bautista all injured.

But we have a new pitching coach, a new bullpen coach, a new bench coach, and a new manager this year ... and these injured players either have a history of injuries or were injured prior to the new coaches. ... (ie Hutchinson)

Melky is off PEDs, Bautista and Rasmus are hard playing outfielders and HR hitters
... not the coaches' fault.

 

[mightymouse007]

But we have a new pitching coach, a new bullpen coach, a new bench coach, and a new manager this year ... and these injured players either have a history of injuries or were injured prior to the new coaches. ... (ie Hutchinson)

Melky is off PEDs, Bautista and Rasmus are hard playing outfielders and HR hitters
... not the coaches' fault.

I don't know about you Jenn. I still think if we had a better manager, and coaches, this team would be in a much better position. Look how good Bonafacio is with Kansas City. The Jays just doesn't utilize him to its full potential.
I know there's been so much support for Gibby. I want to know what good he has done despite the win/loss record?

 

[Jennifer_]

I don't know about you Jenn. I still think if we had a better manager, and coaches, this team would be in a much better position. Look how good Bonafacio is with Kansas City. The Jays just doesn't utilize him to its full potential.
I know there's been so much support for Gibby. I want to know what good he has done despite the win/loss record?

Hehe.

U were against the Dickey trade from day 1 amd you were probably right.

I haven't heard about how Bonafacio is doing but im happy to hear he's doing good.

The reat- we are all armchair GMs.... still dont believe we can blame them (especially Gibby) for everything.

 

[mightymouse007]

Hehe.

U were against the Dickey trade from day 1 amd you were probably right.

I haven't heard about how Bonafacio is doing but im happy to hear he's doing good.

The reat- we are all armchair GMs.... still dont believe we can blame them (especially Gibby) for everything.

As far as I'm concern, you can't fire the players. It's always either the coach or the manager that gets the ax.
It's possible Gibby could stay while AA gets the ax for bad scouting/trading.

Raptors let Colangelo go, while Casey stays as coach.

Same with the leafs with Burky and Carlyle.

 

[black booty lover]

If I am a betting man,I bet you that Gibby will be back with the Jays next season. AA has already present his 3 years plan to get his team into the playoffs with Rogers management. Last spring,AA was probably thinking that Gibby would be the guy to make progress from the work of their bullpen. Then,AA took a gamble that the talent alone would take care of everything else on the field for him and Gibby. Well,the 1st year plan hasn't worked out as AA had hoped. So, now moving forward to the next stage AA is still comfortable working with Gibby,imo. By the end of this season I think AA will be man enough to blame everything had gone wrong on himself. AA will try to convince Jays fans that they are just a second baseman or a couple of SP away to be a contender again for next year. It is too late to work on the plan with somebody else other than the current manager,Gibby. Unless, AA is forced from the board to fire Gibby.
Stay tune.

I agree 100% with this.

 

[black booty lover]

If you check the figures, Buehrle and Dickey actually don't have bad seasons. They're both down close to 4.00 ERA and almost .500 in w/l. Not the way the season was supposed to have fared, but far from an awful effort by either.

yep,

its been the other guys that killed us. Brandon Morrow, J happ, Ricky Romero and Josh Johnson

 

[teassoc]

yep,

its been the other guys that killed us. Brandon Morrow, J happ, Ricky Romero and Josh Johnson

They all started badly.

Buehrle and Dickey have been much better the last month or so (as the bullpen has weakened!). Encouraging for next year and those who believe there is a nucleus to hang-on to and build round.

 

[mandrill]

yep,

its been the other guys that killed us. Brandon Morrow, J happ, Ricky Romero and Josh Johnson

Happ has been inconsistent, but has often pitched very well.

 

[Ironhead]

The Jays barely escape being swept by the worst team in MLB ? .... They almost swept themselves ? lol


All kidding aside I see this 2013 debacle as a team failure.

Johnson is on the IR now, but how long has this arm strain been bothering him ? Still not sure I just want to let him go.
Morrow is out until next season, is it time to call it a day on him and let him go ?




Who are the Jays committed to next season ?

If I my information is correct these players are under contract for 2014 ...
Mark Buehrle
Jose Reyes
Jose Bautista
R.A. Dickey
Edwin Encarnacion
Melky Cabrera
Brandon Morrow
Ricky Romero
Casey Janssen
Sergio Santos
Maicer Izturis
Dustin McGowan
Josh Thole


Who could the Jays do without ?
Players not on this list are not currently under contract for 2014(again according to the info I gathered).

I would not mind seeing Cabrera, Santos, Izturis, Romero and Morrow in different uniforms come April 2014.

 

[Perry Mason]

Ironhead, there is too much information missing about the status of several others who may be arbitration eligible, etc. but are still important parts of the team: Arencibia, Lawrie, Rasmus, Cecil, Delabar, Rogers, Loup, Happ, Lincoln, Wagner, McGowan... need to see the whole picture to prognosticate!

And why would you trade Cabrera? Who, where are you going to get a better candidate for DH? He's only 29 years old and can recover physically. He had talent... though we don't know for how long he was using PED's! Maybe it takes a while to recover?

Same goes for Santos: he was brought in as the closer, lots invested in him and lots of up-side potential. Janssen is doing very well, but Santos is showing great form; at worst he is a great set up man. Who do you think would be better?

Perry

 

[teassoc]

I have developed a very deep respect for Jennifer and her insight into the sad Blue Jays.
As a devoted Jays fan I have shed many tears this year, but it is time to forget about it and map out next season IMO
PITCHERS
KEEPERS
Buehrle, a horse and is getting better
Cecil,Dickey : cant ignore the pedigree and class,Happ,Janssen, Jenkins,Loup,Sanos....needs to show his former self,Wagner,Delabar, Ortiz,Perez Juan& Luis
SAD TO SEE GO
Oliver a true professional
TRADE OR RELEASE
Redmond,Rogers,Johnson,Morrow,McGowan,

FIELDERS

KEEPERS
Caberra (as a DH),Izturis utiliy,timely hits,Thole no hit but catches Dickey,Gose,Pillar,Sierra,Reyes....see the play he made last night? a natural lead off hitter,Lawrie(attitude is improving and only $ 500K a year!)Goins,Encarnacion, DeRosa cant replace his experience and attitude (see comments in STAFF area)
TRADE
Lind,Kawasaki (expensive Cheerleader), Arcenciba (has to be better out there!) Davis...this one I have trouble with as Rajal has flexibility and speed, but low in "smarts",Rasmus great defense low bat production when needed....and not the least...Bautista I see attitude creeping in and production slipping, for the first time defensive miscues....has a great "team trade friendly" contract.

STAFF
Gibbons...keep but on a very short leash in the spring.He is a great media guy , but stops communicating once he reaches the dugout!
Mottole,give him sole hitting responsibility
Hentgen proven product with great success this year in pen.Replaces Walker as pitching coach.
Rivera keep as 3rd base coach
Murphy and DeMario.....bye bye

Can agree much of that except.....

You must be joking about Bautista. He's the heart and soul of their line-up.

Not sure about Lind as he has not sustained his early season form. But I would definitely keep Rasmus.

As far as the bullpen is concerned I'd keep McGowan and move Rogers back there as he was much better in relief.

They need to replace Gibbons.

 

[gcostanza]

Who are the Blue Jays committed to/have under control for 2014 & beyond?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tlGuOwsSqqOBS4H6hAg-Q_Q&output=html

 

[Dawgger]

Interesting the different ideas coming to light.
I would attempt to trade Cabrera, I don't see him hitting much over .250, the power appears to be gone. I think he needs the PEDs to perform.
Rasmus is going to be eligible for arbitration and he will command big bucks. If you can get some decent pieces in return I would trade him.
Arencebia, too many strikeouts, low average, inconsistent defensively but 20 plus homers he will be looking for big money too. Again if I can find a trading partner he goes.
I believe Davis is an UFA. If he wants to stay, I would sign him. Great utility outfielder and pinch runner.
I think you have to keep Buehrle and Dickey. After that the 3 spots are open and all the remaining starters are available.
Bullpen is still solid, overworked but solid. You may have to trade a reliever in order to get a player that can help.
EE Bautista Reyes and Laurie are players I would be reluctant to trade but given the right situation anyone could be available.
The rest of the position players are available to the right team at the right price.
Coaches and the manager: If you are keeping Gibby(I would) I would want him to get rid of anybody on the staff he wasn't happy with. Personally I would keep Hentgen, the others not so sure about. If you have two young guys like JP and Thole I would keep a catching instructor on staff full time. They both need help.