Is this thread still going on? Why not just agree that I am right and move on with your lives?
Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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I did not call him guilty. I said he should be fired for incompetence and horrendously bad judgement. There is nothing necessarily criminal about the incompetence he displayed, but it certainly should get him fired.
Whether he is actually guilty of a crime or not is a different question.
It was legal for him to close, legal for him to taunt , and then necessary for him to fire when yatim advanced. But the first two steps were horrendously incompetent. Most incompetence is perfectly legal....
You think he should be fired but are waiting to see if he's guilty or not. Seems like you're either supporting termination without cause or have decided he's guilty.
I am supporting termination with cause. He is an incompetent hothead who lacks the good judgment needed to be trusted with a firearm. That has been clearly established.
I have no idea whether he is guilty of any crime. Wherever did you get the stupid notion that a for cause termination requires a criminal conviction???!
Lots of things are grounds for termination that aren't even remotely criminal.
I disagree. This is not classic Fuji because in this instance he is quite correct.
BTW basketcase do not confuse terminating employment due to incompetence with legal cause to terminate.
He however has a right to due process, which in this case may very well include the court system.
What exactly is the 'cause'? I don't know of any cause he qualifies to be fired for. Good luck with that. The good news is he won't.
shooting a man while he is already on the ground may be considered "cause" when judgement on when and how to use a firearm is so prevalent to police work. Not criminal but surely something to make someone somewhere hopefully say "hmmmm?" and think about helping him find a new career path with less thinking required and less responsibility to what happens when he doesn't use that proper judgement.
Are you really saying that this cop should just be cleared of everything and allowed back to work? should we have him work your neighborhood then?
thats not the good news. its a terrible shame in our society that the police are a law unto their own, we all know it, but most are too afraid to speak up. politicians won't do it either.
As for when and how to use his firearm, I have heard no negative comments from any professional about his actions, just from armchair critics and amateurs.
We know so little about went down especially what was said between the parties, yet many on here are giving in depth phycological analysis of the police officer, the passengers, and SY, based almost entirely on citizen reporter cell phone and security camera video. A few on here have suggested the police already have compromised evidence or will hinder the investigation. So why investigate? Get on with more important things like traffic tickets and handing out teddy bears to kids.
Fuji has eloquently explained why on at least two posts.
Morcillo almost dared Yatin, didn't do anything whatsoever to try to defuse the situation, and he used excessive force whilst Yatin was on the ground clearly from being hit after the first three shots.
The only "professionals" who have commented are cops or ex-cops, but they don't sound objective.
(There was one former cop who analyzed the video and raised some important issues that the SIU should investigate or pose questions for).
A law onto themselves? Tell that to Richard Wills and Brian Thomas, Edward Ing, John Cruz and Jason Peacock, just to name a few. They certainly weren't above the law, got charged and found guilty.
Event the recently announced special investigation won't satisfy some, claiming corruption and incompetence.
I could swear I heard Morcillo say, 'take another step and you will *bleep-bleep* die.
That's a dare. That's a taunt. The kid was already in a fucked up state of mind, maybe out to prove something, but Morcillo's words were not the right ones to defuse the situation.
He should have said (without his gun drawn but perhaps with his hand on his holster - another cop on the sideline could've had his gun drawn just in case SY charged forward), "What seems to be the problem? What's upsetting you? Take it easy. Everything will be alright. We can have a safe outcome here without anybody getting hurt but you have to lose the knife. That's protocol okay? etc. etc. etc." He could also have thanked Sammy for letting all the passengers go and tell him that's a good thing.
So let me get this right
1. Bad man on streetcar with knife
2. gets shot 3 times and goes down
3. time passes
4. officer shoots man 6 more times while on the ground the only movement he made was when the any of the 6 new bullets shot at him actually hit him.
Does that sum it up?
Again, are you really saying that shooting him 6 more times after he was down is not cause to question his judgement on how and when to use a firearm?
DUH! So what? Some of these professional actually train officers. What other professionals would you hear or have we heard from. I'd expect military professionals to critic military operations, lawyers to critic lawyers, and doctors to critic doctors.
Did the situation go flawlessly, not at all. Yet is it a criminal offence as over 50 members agree with, also no.
Are you really going there? Seriously?
Then I invite all ex-SPs to come here and tell hobbyist how it is suppose to be. All the jaded, bitter, angry etc. After all, they are experienced and professionals right?
