Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
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What's really frightening is, if we accept that the cop who fired was right, that means there were 20 other police on site who need re-training because they did not recognize the imminent threat posed by a teenager standing alone on the streetcar, and thought the situation safe enough that they were willing to wait 60 more seconds for the sergeant with taser to arrive.
Only in your mind, so the rest of us are safe to think logically.What's really frightening is, if we accept that the cop who fired was right, that means there were 20 other police on site who need re-training because they did not recognize the imminent threat posed by a teenager standing alone on the streetcar, and thought the situation safe enough that they were willing to wait 60 more seconds for the sergeant with taser to arrive.
That's no wherer near what the law reads.Listen up dumbass, all that matters is what the letter of the law says.
In this case it says you can pump as many bullets up this guy's ass as you want (as a police officer). Add points if the suspect is moving after you already killed him.
I know this might sound a tad cruel, but that is the law!
If you dont like the law thats fine, but then run for office and have things changed.
You cant fault the officer for having followed his training.
You have to qualify it with what the target was doing.
And there is the concept of excessive force in canadian law.
So the question is "is a man on a streetcar with a knife surrounded by 20+ cops a threat warranting gunfire?"
Is it really that hard to have guys train tasers/stun guns on the area around the bottom step of the streetcar? If the guy descends the stairs have a few guys fire stun guns at his chest. SG's have a effective range of 20 feet.
Hold off on the bullets till the coordinated stun gun shots miss or fail.
I doubt the guy could clear 20 feet before being brought down by stun guns.
the thingsListen up dumbass, all that matters is what the letter of the law says.
In this case it says you can pump as many bullets up this guy's ass as you want (as a police officer). Add points if the suspect is moving after you already killed him.
I know this might sound a tad cruel, but that is the law!
If you dont like the law thats fine, but then run for office and have things changed.
You cant fault the officer for having followed his training.
you say
you're unbelievable
They had an ex-cop on AM1010 talkradio last week. He stated cops are trained to shoot to kill, not shoot to injure so the suspect can survive and be taken to the hospital.That's no wherer near what the law reads
These are all his words, not mine. Are you saying the ex-cop is wrong??
did the copy actually say "you can pump as many bullets up this guy's ass as you want (as a police officer). Add points if the suspect is moving after you already killed him" ?They had an ex-cop on AM1010 talkradio last week. He stated cops are trained to shoot to kill, not shoot to injure so the suspect can survive and be taken to the hospital.
These are all his words, not mine. Are you saying the ex-cop is wrong??
It wasn't bad judgement.Why can't we fire this bad cop for his poor judgement?
Apparently Forcillo did as well, because the 4 inch knife alone should not have been that scary. So if you feel the situation could have been resolved without the use of deadly force.. I don't see how you can then defend the actions of the officer...!!???Not what I said either. Are you attending FUJI's invisible writing reading courses. Only you would consider Syrian schlong a weapon.
In not so many words, yes.did the copy actually say "you can pump as many bullets up this guy's ass as you want (as a police officer). Add points if the suspect is moving after you already killed him" ?
I know it sounds cruel as heck, but thats the law. Even the ex-cop said maybe it was time to revisit police training
You really have this thing about size, don't you? That fact that it only had a four inch blade doesn't make it less deadly than a 5 inch blade. You still can inflict a nasty slash wound with a four inch blade. How big does a knife have to be before it becomes scary? No defence neededApparently Forcillo did as well, because the 4 inch knife alone should not have been that scary. So if you feel the situation could have been resolved without the use of deadly force.. I don't see how you can then defend the actions of the officer...!!???
I might have used the wrong term (see definition of duress below), and should have used stress or pressure but neither of those really capture the gravity of theIf you are with nine armed and trained buddies (the cops) facing a kid with a knife who is in a vehicle that you could simply close the doors on and you feel that you are under duress perhaps you shouldn't be a fucking cop
situation or the pressure that the officer might have felt.
Definition of DURESS
1
: forcible restraint or restriction
2
: compulsion by threat; specifically : unlawful constraint
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In the final analysis, everybody walked off the streetcar. No hostages. He's not a kidnapper. He might as well have had hostages for the way they blew him away.He did try and take hostages using the knife. Beyond that, I love it when people superimpose their arguments on other ones. This had nothing to do with the six shots.
notti was claiming the knife wasn't a weapon. He was wrong.
I disagree.FUJI doesn't get that simple point.
(I'm getting frustrated and will have to say that 'police logic' = 'military intelligence').
How many people in Canada have been shot for Jaywalking or any other minor crimes? While this might sound dramatic but it is the reality. Every time a cop stops someone to question him/her the cop is literally risking his life because they do not know who or what they are dealing with. Our Police and our system of policing are not perfect, but they do the best job they can.Really? If a cop puts a slug in my ass for jaywalking, do I deserve a share of the blame? I think not. The blame for a criminal's action is on the criminal, sure. But if a cop overreacts when there is no perceivable threat, then that's all on him and those who failed to train him properly.
I would take our Police over most others in the world, and I would surely take our processes over what most on this thread have suggested.
It's fucking common sense. Are all our cops drones? If he says it's time to re-visit police training, then maybe that's an admission of negligence or excessive use of force.In not so many words, yes.
I know it sounds cruel as heck, but thats the law. Even the ex-cop said maybe it was time to revisit police training
It's fucking common sense. Are all our cops drones? If he says it's time to re-visit police training, then maybe that's an admission of negligence or excessive use of force.[/QUOTE]
or more likely just an admission the training has to be reviewed, occum's razor boyko.
When I pulled out of my office parking lot on a late night, I was stopped by two cops in a cruiser (who maybe thought I was a burglar, although an erroneous if not dumb assumption, however I was thankful that they checked).How many people in Canada have been shot for Jaywalking or any other minor crimes? While this might sound dramatic but it is the reality. Every time a cop stops someone to question him/her the cop is literally risking his life because they do not know who or what they are dealing with. Our Police and our system of policing are not perfect, but they do the best job they can.
When the driver side cop asked me for my ownership and insurance, I turned on the interior light as I reached for my glove box. I noticed in my passenger side mirror that the other cop put his hand on top of his sidearm just in case I pulled out a gun, but he could easily see with the interior light on).
So I guess they all go through nervous moments.
It's not the first time that a cop has been murdered by a burglar (wasn't Todd Baylis killed when investigating a B & E?).
