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Butler1000

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It is very painful. I think that's why Gibby finally pulled him and used up the 'Pen last night. It was just too cruel leaving JJ out there to be beaten and humiliated. But I hated the fact they blew 3 relievers for multi inning appearances on a game already lost by the 3rd inning.

Re Melke, at least now they can run out Rajai every game and get a running game going. Head's up - Davis is a free agent after this season. Anyone else think the Jays should re-sign him and make him an everyday player??
I don't think Davis is the answer. He has a weak arm for the field(but yes speed). Not sure if his hitting will stand up for the year. And yes I know the havoc he creates on the bases. If I thought he could hit .280 with a fair amount of walks I'd consider batting him leadoff and Reyes 2nd.

Reyes is going to be sooooo special next year when we have him for the year. He alone will be worth a figure at least 100 runs. In differential(more generated and less given up) for the Jays. Think about that!
 

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I would expect to see J.A. Happ take J.J.'s slot in the rotation next time through.
 

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I have always liked me some Rajai! I think he is best suited as a 4th outfielder though. A great 4th outfielder, no doubt. And hopefully the Jays do re-sign him.
 

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Current BJ's mathematical equations:

Cabrera + Bonifacio = 0

Lawrie + Arencibia = -1

Johnson + Romero = unmitigated disaster.

How can all this happen to one team in one season?

Perry
Can someone come up with the Jays new lineup for 2014? I can think of subtraction from today's lineups but I can't think of addition to the team in 2014. For example, Melky is gone. So is Johnson,possibly Arencibia and even Lind. Obtain either a second base or third base man is a must I think. With a new 3rd base guy you might like to make lawrie into a permanent second base man.
 

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I don't know but it happened to the Red Sox last year. Now look at them.
Well, I can understand that!

Last year, the Sox, like the BJ's last year and this one, didn't have a decent manager! :biggrin1:

Perry
 

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For example, Melky is gone.
Not so fast on the draw there, padner!

He's under contract for 2014... and who would want to trade for him right now? And at 29 (next week) he is still young and can recover from what are not major injuries over the off-season. I think he'll be back...

Also, I think JJ may be invited to Spring training on a minor league contract. I doubt any one will offer him anything better unless he has a miraculous recovery over the next two months.

Perry
 

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Not so fast on the draw there, padner!

He's under contract for 2014... and who would want to trade for him right now? And at 29 (next week) he is still young and can recover from what are not major injuries over the off-season. I think he'll be back...

Also, I think JJ may be invited to Spring training on a minor league contract. I doubt any one will offer him anything better unless he has a miraculous recovery over the next two months.

Perry
The great mystery is always whether injuries have impacted Dickey, JJ and Melke this year and to what extent. Are these guys just done or can they rebound?

I agree that a minor league contract for JJ is a good idea; but presumably a NL club will offer the same deal - or slightly better - and he will return to less competitive pastures.

Re Rajai - There's only 1 way to find out if he can hit decently for an entire season. Run him out every day until October.
 

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Not so fast on the draw there, padner!

He's under contract for 2014... and who would want to trade for him right now? And at 29 (next week) he is still young and can recover from what are not major injuries over the off-season. I think he'll be back...

Also, I think JJ may be invited to Spring training on a minor league contract. I doubt any one will offer him anything better unless he has a miraculous recovery over the next two months.

Perry
I think that is what should happen to JJ but my gut says a NL GM will offer him a contract.
Melky may have to be moved as his legs don't seem to like the turf , either that or he may need the stuff he had last year to function.
 

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I agree that a minor league contract for JJ is a good idea; but presumably a NL club will offer the same deal - or slightly better - and he will return to less competitive pastures.
Yes, except he "owes one" to the BJ's, both management and players... if that means anything to any one any more these days.

Perry
 

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Just checked Melke's career numbers. Actually, his average has always been about where it is right now, except the couple of years he was juicing. Historically he has hit for more power. But essentially a better than average journeyman and no superstar.

How the fuck was AA dumb enough to acquire this guy?!


http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=466320#gameType='R'
 

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Do the Sox this year not have the Jays manager from last year that wasn't decent?
You read it, you seemed to understand it, you saw the smiley... yet it still went over your head! :frusty:

Perry
 

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Just checked Melke's career numbers. Actually, his average has always been about where it is right now, except the couple of years he was juicing. Historically he has hit for more power. But essentially a better than average journeyman and no superstar.
I saw him play so many times for the Yankees and got the impression that he was something special... not superstar, but several notches above average.

I was not surprised to see him doing well with the Giants; I guess we now know why.

Nevertheless I am surprised that his overall stats are, relatively speaking, so unremarkable.

Call me gullible!

Perry
 

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Just checked Melke's career numbers. Actually, his average has always been about where it is right now, except the couple of years he was juicing. Historically he has hit for more power. But essentially a better than average journeyman and no superstar.

How the fuck was AA dumb enough to acquire this guy?!


http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=466320#gameType='R'
Hey, watch the blasphemy... AA = Genius...
Because he miraculously got the *** Yankees *** to overpay for Vernon 100 years ago...
So watch it, bub.

Every time AA signs an average journeyman = Genius...
And Gibby is hung out to dry making excuses for these fucking scrubs.

That 4-0 rally started last night...
Because Melky can only jog so fast while looking good, baby...
So do the math: (Routine Fly Ball + Mellky - PED) = double.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, as Colby might say...
What on earth is Josh Johnson doing in a ChamPeenChip starting rotation...
All of the commercials sing about Big Champeens in Canada, baby.
 

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I think that is what should happen to JJ but my gut says a NL GM will offer him a contract.
Melky may have to be moved as his legs don't seem to like the turf , either that or he may need the stuff he had last year to function.
At this point JJ wil receive several camp offers and maybe a few low ball offers unless he turns it around somehow. The will not be any layalty. He will go where he has the best chance on a one year deal to make the rotation and get some wins. Either he turns it around, goes to the bullpen or is out of baseball.
He wants that last big contract. The 5 year multi-million one. And that's what will drive him.
Melky need s be shut down as well. Check out the knees.
 

mandrill

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At this point JJ wil receive several camp offers and maybe a few low ball offers unless he turns it around somehow. The will not be any layalty. He will go where he has the best chance on a one year deal to make the rotation and get some wins. Either he turns it around, goes to the bullpen or is out of baseball.
He wants that last big contract. The 5 year multi-million one. And that's what will drive him.
Melky need s be shut down as well. Check out the knees.
Even if JJ has an excellent season next year, the chances of him EVER getting that 5-year deal may have just gone up in the smoke - or smog - of an LA evening. No manager in MLB will want to roll the dice on how much gas this guy will ever have left in his tank after this year. I think it's gonna be 1-year (at the most 2-year) deals for him.
 

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Melky on the DL and now the Jays have put him on waivers, I hope somebody claims him and takes him off our hands, but not likely as he's got a torn up knee. Probably done for the year.
 

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Because he miraculously got the *** Yankees *** to overpay for Vernon 100 years ago...


A.A. traded Vernon Wells to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, not the New York Yankees.
 
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