Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police
- Thread starter Shrugged
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Yes, following legal orders given by a police officer is highly recommended. But even at the best of times, it can take a few seconds to comply. Perhaps longer if you aren't yet certain that the people giving you the orders are police officers. Certainly nobody should expect to be shot within five seconds of the order being given unless there is imminent threat of harm.
In any event, the officer involved has been suspended (with pay), pending further investigation. He has been declared the only "subject" officer of the investigation, with many other "witness officers" who will be required to provide statements for investigators.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...g-of-sammy-yatim-as-top-cop-promises-answers/
How about if we raise the standards to be a cop? How about if they had to get a degree and demonstrate lateral problem solving instead of the poor standards and 3 month course they currently have to do? They all make over 100k with juicy overtime and a diamond plated pension. Plus they have no accountability. Expect this incident to be swept under the rug, just like the G20 debacle.
Better educated cops might just be the answer instead of the jarheads currently working as glorified construction zone supervisors for $60/hr at overtime.
Better educated cops might just be the answer instead of the jarheads currently working as glorified construction zone supervisors for $60/hr at overtime.
Haven't we seen this thread before? The police kill someone who had a weapon. The usual suspects on Terb then line up on the usual sides. Side one - second guess the police and assume that they had no good reason to shoot. Side two - assume the police can do no wrong and assume that brandishing a small knife justifies leathal use of force by officers. Side three - point out that we do not know exactly what happened and therefore the comments are based substantially on speculation. Sides one and two then double down on their positions.
I have not read most of the thread. Did I miss a side?
I have not read most of the thread. Did I miss a side?
I don't know but I just read your only reply and seems about right so I am skipping the rest of the thread too.
Thanks! :wink:
When the cops told him to drop the knife many times, why didn't he? He moved forward toward the doors with the knife still in his hand and was not following police instructions! Why the hell not? Why does everyone try to portray these teens as innocent?
Each situation is unique. It's not as simple as you state. Besides, you're missing out on all the salient points.
He could be 'innocent' but high or mentally-challenged. Any normal thinking criminal would put the knife down. However, like I said, cops aren't going to risk their lives unnecessarily if they don't have to in situations like these.
i haven't seen any posters calling him innocent. but there is a difference between being innocent and deserving to die
Yes, the penalty for ignoring a police officer is death independent whether there is a risk. The kid was in Canada two years - maybe he thought the cop was saying 'hand me the knife !'
In that case the penalty for not understanding English is - death.
Division of labour. Most cops will never pull their gun. When they do hitting generally in the right area is good enough. Especially if four or five of them are shooting.
When the cops need to take an accurate well placed shot they call in the ETF/SWAT guys to do that.
And there's the double tap tactic. That sad day our finest employed it 4 times in sequence, plus a half double tap.
While I agree that the firearm training standard for police is low, your proposed scenario would result in higher taxes and fewer cops on the street.
Double taps are almost exclusively used in the realm of competition. Police and even soldiers are taught that if they make the decision to shoot, they shoot as many times as necessary until the threat is stopped. I wonder if in light of these events, people will start supporting the idea of magazine limits for police, after all, if that's supposed to slow down trigger happy active shooters, maybe it will slow down trigger happy cops?
You keep working hard to prove what an idiot you are. What makes you think a streetcar can contain the shrapnel and blast effect of a bomb
If you look at the enhanced video, he starts out at the top of the stairs then backs up into the streetcar a couple of steps.
The cop says, "if you take another step...," he takes a step and straightens up to defy the cop.
Still back from where he started. Cop decides to start shooting.
Anyone of the cops there could have saved a life and their buddy's career by saying let's wait until we can subdue this guy safely.
Meanwhile, mountie in BC is cleared of perjury charge.
The cop says, "if you take another step...," he takes a step and straightens up to defy the cop.
Still back from where he started. Cop decides to start shooting.
Anyone of the cops there could have saved a life and their buddy's career by saying let's wait until we can subdue this guy safely.
Meanwhile, mountie in BC is cleared of perjury charge.
