It's not one vehicle. It could be a LINE of many vehicles.
Sure maybe you did but most don't. And even you were less important than a streetcar full of people.
Traffic is already a nuisance downtown yet many people still drive. My guess is that even tolls, parking levies or congestion charges probably won't change behaviour.
Only seniors and kids play $2. Everyone else pays $3 cash or $2.65 per token. The average revenue per ride on passes depends on how much a person uses the pass. Those people only using a Metropass during the work week have a higher revenue per ride than those that don't have cars and use the TTC 7 days a week to go everywhere.
That's interesting fuji, but that confirms my view the streetcar is obsolete and this city should get rid of it, except for Spadina streetcar which is for the tourist.
The only folks who have to drive are professional drivers. You and your bosses shoulda seen the dollars and common sense of having you visit your clients by cab. Just work out the hourly rate GPIDEAL was getting to do what a Senegalese PhD woulda done for minimum wage while you caught up on your briefing notes in the back seat. And he wouldn't have wasted the time you did looking for a place to stash the car when you got there.
I have given you the real operating costs that clearly show buses are a lot more expensive to operate. Which is unsurprising the cost is primarily labour and you need many more drivers.
we need the costs of streetcars, installing and reinstalling rail, and maintenance as well
When was the last time you even looked at a streetcar in Toronto Polaris? Many people use streetcars and they're definitely not just for tourists. You're thinking of those cable cars in San Francisco (that are frequented by tourists), but commuters use them too. The vehicles that tourists use in Toronto are those double decker buses with an open top or the long defunct hippo mobile that drove in the water. The TTC also occasionally runs those classic red and yellow streetcars (red rockets) for special events like the CNE, weddings, etc. but they're not in regular service.That's interesting fuji, but that confirms my view the streetcar is obsolete and this city should get rid of it, except for Spadina streetcar which is for the tourist.
There's a saying by Joe-blow business man, it cost a dollar to save a dime.
Lets assume something here. If it cost $69,000 to operate the St. Clair line per day, then lets add $50,000 to that, assuming that is the amount it will cost to put buses on that route. I am making this assumption because the highest cost for a bus route is about that figure. Assuming a St.Clair bus would cost $110,000, which would be $50,000 more than the streetcar.
According to that data from the TTC and our assumptions, here is the math.
Assume 360 days in the year, at $50,000 per day, that is $18 million a year. Lets round up to $20 million a year.
Therefore using these assumptions, the St.Clair streetcar will save $20 million per year over the St.Clair bus, excluding consideration of the capital cost.
Since the capital cost was in actuality $1 billion dollars ... if we do the math will our assumptions, it would take 50 years before we see any real savings to that route and that project.
As Joe-Blow business man would say, "it costs a dollar to save a dime"
It this TTC case, it costs $1 billion to save $20 million.
The reason why streetcars are on the road in Toronto, is not cost savings. The only reasons I can think of is
1. some people like streetcars.
2. the war on the car is still on going.
3. Tourists.
Any mechanics care to chime in on the relative reliability and longevity of streetcars vs buses? My guess is street cars are more reliable and last longer because they're all electric and have no combustion engine to deal with. Combustion engines require fuel, oil and air filters, belts, etc. I don't think street cars require those things. I'm no mechanic so these are just casual observations only. Streetcars have their own maintenance needs too of course: rails, overhead wires, etc but I still think if we compare the average revenue per rider and costs on a bus vs street car, the street car will be a better choice.
Are you on glue fuji? Of course drivers pay to use roads. There's taxes and fees on auto sales, parts, service, tires, lease payments, maintenance, fuel, licence fees, parking, traffic tickets and the list goes on.
