"You guys"? All I am saying is they judge would have to clear the court room for the disrespectful laughter if Ford's defence for claiming the video did not exist under the supposition it apears in open court is: but they told me it wasn't on.
Third win for Mayor Ford!
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Except we already know he is lying, and has a history of lying in similar situations.
Here is the fun: Lying is not illegal, and even admitting that he smoked crack doesn't expose him to charges. Lying under oath though really would.
No doubt his lawyers would resist putting him on the stand but it could happen. Then, "have you ever smoked crack?" and "didn't you tell your staff you knew where the video was filmed?" get asked under oath and wahhoooo suddenly he really is going to jail if he lies.
Only because you bring a bias to your assessment.
Judges are trained to (try) to judge the case on the evidence submitted before them.
You know nate, when you use phrases like "open court", it reinforces to anyone with knowledge or experience that you do not know whereof you speak.
What other kind of court is there? Is the Ford v. Gawker et al going to be heard in a closed secret NSA Taliban Court?
So to summerize, your first response to my on topic comment is to deflect with a "you guy's" comment. Then when I try and bring you back on topic your next defence is a "all knowing about Nate" comment on my symantics.
Can I take from this you have nothing further to address on the actual point I was making?
The fact is that even if there were previous convictions for perjury, that is not (likely) admissible unless the witness raises the issue of his credibility. Did you know that the previous convictions of a rapist are generally inadmissible at trial? Only in sentencing.
Why would his lawyers put him on the stand?
All they would have to do is introduce case law to establish that such defamatory actions would cause anyone harm.
Then the defendants would have to establish the truthfulness of their assertions.
Statements in your own interest such as the defendants saying "I saw that video" carry about as much weight as the rapist saying "It wasn't me".
Serious question. Why do you think Ford has not brought a case. In the crack thread one of the Terb lawyers said that it is important to at least start the process quickly--with a letter of intent. If I remember correctly it is important to establish that you are believe you are being libeled and wish the offending party to stop. Otherwise they could get the impression you don't think you are being wronged.
I will restate the main point:
Judges are trained to (try) to judge the case on the evidence submitted before them.
If Ford said under oath that he believed that there was no video, that is "evidence". If other evidence arose that he DID believe it existed (such as a previous staff member saying under oath -and subject to cross examination- that Ford said "Oh shit, I know who took that video and it might be at his apartment 1701 ) then that evidence may be enough. But if at the time made that statement under oath (even by affidavit, cross examination etc) he had himself bought and then destroyed the video, then his utterances to his staffer would be irrelevant.
To convict him of perjury the prosecution would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that at the time at which he made the tatement he was under oath.
Of course he's lying Fuji - you are judge and jury and trier of fact. What other similar situations do you speak of? How many other times has he been lying about drug use with his homies?
Maybe (and quite possibly) because there was/is such a video. (I have always maintained that I do not like Ford, but like even less the public lynching without better, verifiable, proof.)
Maybe because he does not have the time or energy to launch into more litigation? Even if you throw millions of dollars at lawyers it still takes an enormous amount of time and energy over many years to sue. Plenty of people are wronged every day and only a few sue.
"Lawyers letters" are worth less than toilet paper when served upon a beligerent or defiant entity, unless they are a cover letter for the lawsuit's Statement of Claim.
He he, good one but Rae will pull hairs when he can't speak to the individual rights of Cubans. But I think the Sun made a good point (a non-partisanship appointment might be good this time, and Rae is good).
I think the Ford Nation is trying to say they have their champion already. No matter what little he continues to accomplish, no matter what new and bizarre misdeeds he gets into the news with they've picked him, and they're sticking with him right or wrong.
Of course if the video were to surface, and not be proven a fake, most of Ford Nation will drop him like a hot rock—even the ones who said they didn't care what he smokes—and apply the same fifteen seconds of thought to the replacement candidate as they did picking Rob. "Doesn't matter how empty or impossible the promise, just confirm my prejudices."
'Can't fix stupid'
Let me put something forth to the ford supporters:
If you had a chance to be involved in an intimate business deal in the private sector with rob ford, being on the receiving end, would you go gladly into it knowing his tendency to lie, to abuse, be morally lacking in character and a college dropout, still expect a fair deal in the end?
If you had a chance to be involved in an intimate business deal in the private sector with rob ford, being on the receiving end, would you go gladly into it knowing his tendency to lie, to abuse, be morally lacking in character and a college dropout, still expect a fair deal in the end?
Can't say that Ford's re-election is likely at this time, however, I think if the Ford video is true, people might not give a shit. Layton admitted to being in a rub 'n tug (well after the fact mind you). Other politicians have done way, way worse and probably real criminal stuff (like McGuinty and possible fraud with respect to the cancelling of the gas-fired plants) where millions of dollars have literally been wasted. So citizens may not give a shit about this alleged incident with Ford.
