Should brothels be legal? Supreme Court of Canada ponders issue
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That's not really what you originally posted, but as above needless to say I agree.
Those things are already criminal offenses, although cops and courts have no experience dealing with them in the context of paid sex. Once the ladies can call cops without fear of being busted for running a brothel, the experience should come fast enough.
But please, can we grow up and get past the stupidity that harsh punishments are useful in controlling behaviour. If they were no one would, kill, steal or rape. Only backward idiots try to bring up kids that way. What works is enforcement, and you actually have to do that—and pay for it—there's no fear of harsh penalties when the guy knows the cops are too busy, the courts are too cr4owded, and the Crown will let him cop a plea.
There's always going to be a stigma attached to this industry for the clients and the providers. Neither legalization or decriminalization will change that. So there's always going to be the problem of clients or ladies being hesitant to call the cops. Sad to say, but that stigma will always be around, so there won't be any single strategy (harsh punishment, enforcement, legalization, etc.) to solve this issue. It's going to take a massive mindset change in all people, which will never happen.
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They'll get their turn in tomorrow morning's papers with analysis pieces that will run significantly longer than 140 characters.
Absolutely correct, my friend.
Yes we still have a long way to go. But never say never.
A hundred years ago, women were not considered "persons" in the eyes of the law and therefore were not allowed to vote in Canadian elections.
Up until emancipation a century and a half ago, an entire race was considered "property" in the United States.
And up to 1969, homosexuality was considered a crime in Canada, until repealed by legislation introduced by Pierre Trudeau, whose words at that time apply equally today to issue of paid sex between two consenting adults:
"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
As long as there are SP's that feel victimized, religious people touting 'morals' and NIMBY'ists, there will always be those that want to get rid of brothels and prostitution. And there will be equal numbers of SP's that feel empowered by their choice of career that will call for the opposite. So, I think the legal grey area that we have in Canada is about as good it gets.
People continue to make false assumptions about how the world would be should these criminal offenses in question disappear.
The facts demonstrate that if brothels were legalized, they would be strictly regulated and obtaining a "brothel license" would be more difficult than obtaining a license to operate a strip club, or a body-rub parlour - both of which are severly restricted.
The idea that all SPs would somehow be allowed to obtain a business license to operate a brothel is simply not based in any model of reality presented by any municipality.
So what becomes of those SPs who cannot obtain such a license? Of those who operate outside the law even as it exists today?
I want more decriminalizing, escorts should be free to set up their business but I suspect the government will want to license and regulate it. Will an escort with a minor criminal record be allowed to have a license?
Many will continue to work under the radar instead of signing up and being labelled and stamped, therefore it won't make them safer. Wasn't that the main intent of the challenge?
Many will continue to work under the radar instead of signing up and being labelled and stamped, therefore it won't make them safer. Wasn't that the main intent of the challenge?
We can see in other countries where paid sex has been legal for a long time (in Europe, Asia and Latin america), that there is still some stigma around prostitution. Doubtful it will be any different here in Canada.
I have found this to be true in my travels an example is the Netherlands, it is very hard to find an actual Dutch girl doing it, meanwhile the majority of the women working in the Red Light in Amsterdam would be East Euro, much easier to hide from your family and friends back in Bulgaria telling them you got a job there doing whatever. Another example is Turkey, completely legal prostitution but extremely difficult to find in tourist cities like Istanbul.
I can't speak to your experience, but not long ago the majority of the "working women" in Amsterdam were from South America (Argentina, etc). Same comments apply.
The current arrangement with incalls has worked out perfectly fine for me at least. So, why fixed if it ain't broke? I sure hope that everything will stay as status quo as time goes on.
Listening to some of the ladies pushing this case, it sounds like they think they will be able to operate legally in their own condo apartment. Can’t see that happening at all as zoning would not allow it. Also, if prostitution is legalized, the legal brothels would be aggressive in reporting the girls to bylaw and shutting them down.
In Germany, brothels are legal and allowed to operate in some areas. Prices are much lower, and the experience with lounges, saunas, food, girls, etc. is better. In the US where prostitution is illegal, prices are much higher. We are sort of in the middle now with legality and prices.
Most lease agreements specifically outlaw businesses to go after prostitutes.
However, zoning by-laws, by and large, will allow small one-employee sole-proprietorship businesses of types that don't bother neighbours.
This might be in the category of: keep it discrete.
what about new Zealand after decriminalization in 2003? can girls down there use apartments to do incalls?
Either the individual would be operating within the laws and regulations, or not. And if she's not, then she has no more incentive to call police over an incident than she does now - and any dissatisfied client would be more likely to report her to the licensing authorities.
