Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?
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Becoming a teacher should not entitle teachers to the excess they recieveIt doesn't. Most of them don't get the jobs. Now the government wants to make teaching qualifications 2 years instead of 1 and cut enrollment by half...wonder if they'll cut the instructors by half? Point is that graduation does not entitle one to the excess teachers receive...you have to actually become a teacher for that.
You can dress this up anyway you wantTeachers do get summer off, however they only get 3 weeks paid vacation 2 at Christmas and one at march break, they do not get paid for the summer they get paid for working 193 days
No one is buying
They get an average salary of 83K + gold plated benefits for working 60-70% of what the average taxpayer does.
A pig in a silk dress is still a pig
they start at 42000k and it can take 10 - 13 years to get to 94000k but one must take extra courses to get to that level. They do have good benefits and so they should.
Let shear about their gold plated benefits?
Let shear about their gold plated benefits?
you can't dump all the money waste in the teachers lap. hell i don't even give them shit for the contract they got as i have said earlier. i blame the guy they were negotiating against, he knew he was dealing with tax money and still handed it all over.You can dress this up anyway you want
No one is buying
They get an average salary of 83K + gold plated benefits for working 60-70% of what the average taxpayer does.
A pig in a silk dress is still a pig
also as i mentioned earlier there is a serious amount of waste going on and it is more than just teachers. i did an internship with the military and the money that was wasted just in that one branch and it was a nearly empty branch. it was ridiculous.
There was a time when the majority of teachers truly cared and were passionate about their work and the success of their students...I was raised by one of those teachers. Gradually, teachers were relegated to be "supervisors", not teachers. Let me provide an example: the cuts were so deep that teachers, due to lack of equipment, would have to do the science experiment and show the class the results. Remember bunson burners? No longer allowed. Remember dissections? In many boards this is outlawed due to safety concerns (scalpels are too sharp).
How about the school that banned outdoor ball sports because a parent walking through the yard was hit in the head with a soccer ball. Cuts took away valuable resources; the societal safety bubble for our children has taken away hands-on learning; many parents cannot afford to buy the books that the school boards can no longer afford to supply; in-school discipline is gone and the students have all the power; a suspension is now a holiday because parents have lost the authority to threaten a spanking...the list goes on and on. With resources gone, our children are not learning. Who has taken the blame from parents and society? The teachers...we have swallowed the rhetoric and propaganda that the government has fed us. Oh, one other thing, when I was a child, the teachers made lesson plans...now, a government body does...and these people are NOT trained teachers. Why have teachers lost the passion? Why are caring teachers a minority now? The answers to this are endless and I could write a book. I challenge any non-teacher to trade jobs with a teacher for one month and report back.
How about the school that banned outdoor ball sports because a parent walking through the yard was hit in the head with a soccer ball. Cuts took away valuable resources; the societal safety bubble for our children has taken away hands-on learning; many parents cannot afford to buy the books that the school boards can no longer afford to supply; in-school discipline is gone and the students have all the power; a suspension is now a holiday because parents have lost the authority to threaten a spanking...the list goes on and on. With resources gone, our children are not learning. Who has taken the blame from parents and society? The teachers...we have swallowed the rhetoric and propaganda that the government has fed us. Oh, one other thing, when I was a child, the teachers made lesson plans...now, a government body does...and these people are NOT trained teachers. Why have teachers lost the passion? Why are caring teachers a minority now? The answers to this are endless and I could write a book. I challenge any non-teacher to trade jobs with a teacher for one month and report back.
stop confusing JohnLarue and his homeys with facts, you need more shrill neo con rhetoric to be one of the cool kids like himthey start at 42000k and it can take 10 - 13 years to get to 94000k but one must take extra courses to get to that level. They do have good benefits and so they should.
Let shear about their gold plated benefits?
You people do realize that the provincial gov't is now on it's summer off and they don't get back at it until Sept! Oh, and they make a shit load more than teachers as well.
The lack of funding need only be explained by an average $83K in salaryThere was a time when the majority of teachers truly cared and were passionate about their work and the success of their students...I was raised by one of those teachers. Gradually, teachers were relegated to be "supervisors", not teachers. Let me provide an example: the cuts were so deep that teachers, due to lack of equipment, would have to do the science experiment and show the class the results. Remember bunson burners? No longer allowed. Remember dissections? In many boards this is outlawed due to safety concerns (scalpels are too sharp).
How about the school that banned outdoor ball sports because a parent walking through the yard was hit in the head with a soccer ball. Cuts took away valuable resources; the societal safety bubble for our children has taken away hands-on learning; many parents cannot afford to buy the books that the school boards can no longer afford to supply; in-school discipline is gone and the students have all the power; a suspension is now a holiday because parents have lost the authority to threaten a spanking...the list goes on and on. With resources gone, our children are not learning. Who has taken the blame from parents and society? The teachers...we have swallowed the rhetoric and propaganda that the government has fed us. Oh, one other thing, when I was a child, the teachers made lesson plans...now, a government body does...and these people are NOT trained teachers. Why have teachers lost the passion? Why are caring teachers a minority now? The answers to this are endless and I could write a book. I challenge any non-teacher to trade jobs with a teacher for one month and report back.
Perhaps if teachers had not ballooned the their costs, there might be enough to purchase books and bunson burners
Two wrongs make a rights?You people do realize that the provincial gov't is now on it's summer off and they don't get back at it until Sept! Oh, and they make a shit load more than teachers as well.
What we pay politicians is small compared to the education expenditures
Finally the average politician can go and make way more in the private sector than what he / she makes as a legislator
One in a thousand Teachers could replace 83K a year
And have to ask for their jobs back every few years.You people do realize that the provincial gov't is now on it's summer off and they don't get back at it until Sept! Oh, and they make a shit load more than teachers as well.
The average salary is 83K so we have a lot of long tenured teachers.they start at 42000k and it can take 10 - 13 years to get to 94000k but one must take extra courses to get to that level. They do have good benefits and so they should.
Let shear about their gold plated benefits?
Why because you say they should ?They do have good benefits and so they should.
Well I say they do not deserve a high salary, the summer off, a very expensive retirement package (funded by the taxpayer) and bankable sick days.
At some point one has to recognize that as a group they are far too expensive relative to the value provided
Furthermore, we will soon be in financial crisis where there will not be the option of negotiating
One third of Ontario's non-interest expenditures are in education,you can't dump all the money waste in the teachers lap. hell i don't even give them shit for the contract they got as i have said earlier. i blame the guy they were negotiating against, he knew he was dealing with tax money and still handed it all over.
also as i mentioned earlier there is a serious amount of waste going on and it is more than just teachers. i did an internship with the military and the money that was wasted just in that one branch and it was a nearly empty branch. it was ridiculous.
The other big spend is on health care, which will increase exponentially
One must look for savings where it will have an impact
The teachers contract stands out as an area where $ could be saved
Blaming the guy who negotiated the last contract is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic
Sure they were disorganized, however rearranging did nothing to prevent the disaster
i just can't blame the teachers for asking for what they asked for. i can't tell you any employee that goes in for a new contract or negotiation and says "yeah just give me the bare minimum and i'm cool". sure they were greedy and i don't particularly like the deal they have as a tax payer but i am not mad at them. i am mad at the guy that handed it all over with no regard for where the money was actually coming from.One third of Ontario's non-interest expenditures are in education,
The other big spend is on health care, which will increase exponentially
One must look for savings where it will have an impact
The teachers contract stands out as an area where $ could be saved
Blaming the guy who negotiated the last contract is like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic
Sure they were disorganized, however rearranging did nothing to prevent the disaster
as for wasted money, the gov't is over run with it and it is not likely to stop unless someone not on anyone's payroll and that is unable to be bought goes in and starts ripping open expense reports and cutting down on spending. the spending is out of control.
just an example when i was doing the military internship the military decided to go from individual dress uniforms while on base (army, navy, airforce) and just go with one straight uniform. cadpat i think it was called. anyway the supply warehouse was told to toss all things that were not cadpat which was everything. so an entire warehouse full of never before worn clothing was tossed in a dumpster by me and the other guy on the internship. then i could talk about when they stripped and refurnished the base housing that was empty and will forever remain empty but why bother.
You must understand the word “excess” is subjective. What is excessive for one person is not necessarily excessive for another. Have a look at the graph on page 28 :The ability to gain acceptance to teachers college, should not entitle one to the excess teachers receive
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1998generalintelligencefactor.pdf
Depending on your placement on the bell curve, your sense of value will differ. Look at the social “pathologies” and how they drop inversely with IQ gain. I (never divorced, never unemployed, never in trouble with the law) suspect my needs and wants would be very different from many posters right here on this very site.
Individualized social spending would put the onus on the taxpayers to decide what is in their personal best interest. Who know their needs and wants better than they themselves?
The system would also shine a light on the communists, parasites and hypocrites. This should be the conservatives’ wet dream! I am all for it and I expect to get a lot of money back.
I feel your pain. Do you really have people wanting to replace science classes with bible study? Indiana was, at one time, KKK territory, correct?Data from the US is rarely encouraging. I cringe every time I look at the local news. I would like to become a political and business consultant. I don't require an enormous amount of money or anything else. My only requirement would be my title. I want to be introduced as the "New Stupidity Limitation Officer", so when someone suggests removing science classes from public schools and replacing them with bible study classes, I can smack them on the forehead and say "that's an incredibly stupid idea".
I am sure this will not make you feel any better, but have a look at this article:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...eople-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts#
This goes a long way in explaining why red states are hogging social spending. People on the right tail are simply not wise enough to know their own limitations. They probably don’t even know enough to know they are being hypocritical.
A fatal flaw of a representative form of government, don’t you think? I can not believe we want to export that to the rest of the world. (end of rant)
Geez, I wish my boss would give me a raise for taking a course while having the summer off.they start at 42000k and it can take 10 - 13 years to get to 94000k but one must take extra courses to get to that level. They do have good benefits and so they should.
Let shear about their gold plated benefits?
it's called extra qualifications. Pension teachers pay 13.5 % into the plan so I wouldn't say it's gold plated it's a good quality plan the one more pays into teh plan the more one gets out.
A teacher in Ontario gets 3 weeks vacation = check the law. If you all thinks its a easy job go see if you can qualify for the education and try it.
A teacher in Ontario gets 3 weeks vacation = check the law. If you all thinks its a easy job go see if you can qualify for the education and try it.
Just sounds really FUNNY
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OK,...I'm sorry,...3 weeks vacation,...that sounds so fricken ridiculous,.... when do they take them,...in July.A teacher in Ontario gets 3 weeks vacation = check the law.
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