Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?

[KBear]

The average salary for Ontario degree holders 2 years after their undergrad is $49,151 which would correspond to a first year teacher. Teacher numbers from the agreement linked are well within norms.
http://cou.on.ca/publications/reports/pdfs/2011-survey-highlights---ontario-graduate-employme

Hardly appropriate to average the pay of all university degree holders, and compare that to teachers pay. Would expect most teachers have a BA.


http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/01/16/the-million-dollar-promise/
"A closer examination reveals the problem with such generalizations. Using the same data, a female English undergraduate degree holder earned $30,762, well above the $19,000 of a female high school graduate, but below the $32,343 earned by male high school graduates. The numbers for film studies majors were lower, $26,172 for men and $25,447 for women. Lower still were music graduates, at $19,348 and $20,814. Even science graduates don’t do as well as most people imagine. Physics graduates earned $40,216 for men and $31,545 for women. Contrast these numbers with the much higher wages for civil engineering ($60,000 for males, $49,924 for females), business administration ($48,405 and $39,295), finance ($55,919 and $42,182), nursing ($53,764 and $47,985), law ($56,975 and $50,000) and pharmacy ($88,425 and $71,493). While gender is obviously important, degree choice can matter as much as the decision to go to university in the first place."

 

[GPIDEAL]

For 2/3 of the "work" days of the average Canadian University grad !!!

FAST

Apples and oranges is right. That being said, my cousin chose early retirement because she couldn't take the bullshit any longer (she's in her mid to late 50s, tough on students and doesn't take shit from the parents). She's old school and a great teacher. Some are good and worth the money, especially if they are department heads, etc.

 

[probyn]

JohnLarue writes: "I can outwit and out debate you any day of the week".

You sir are seriously deluded and in serious need of a brain transplant.

 

[JohnLarue]

JohnLarue writes: "I can outwit and out debate you any day of the week".

You sir are seriously deluded and in serious need of a brain transplant.

How did your transplant work?
I see you decided to go with one from the bargain bin

On a more serious not, I will toy with your tiny mind for a while
Please explain to all, the impacts to the economy, employment levels and our competitiveness if your plan to equate the private sector wages & benefits to public sector employees was implemented ?

Time to put your dunce cap back on

 

[probyn]

Lacking the ability to debate intelligently, JohnLarue continues to resort to insults.

 

[JohnLarue]

Lacking the ability to debate intelligently, JohnLarue continues to resort to insults.

Lacking the ability to defend his earlier foolishness, probyn adds nothing of value
Please answer the question

Please explain to all, the impacts to the economy, employment levels and our competitiveness if your plan to equate the private sector wages & benefits to public sector employees was implemented ?

Did the communist manifesto not explain the outcome to you?

 

[HEYHEY]

Don't get me started on this topic.......lol. My daughter attends high school and I am constantly shocked at the unprofessional, slimy used car salesmen attitude of almost everyone I have come in contact. I often wonder when the important respectful job of teaching our children the skills that will carry them through life became a half assed scam to do the least amount of work for the most amount of money. Recently my daughter showed me a major project she scored very high marks on in HISTORY, the person she picked to do the project on.......wait for it, Justin Beiber. I would be embarassed to be a teacher today. Another shining example, recently during a parent-teacher interview I was informed by her english teacher that she does not give homework because "she knows it is difficult for the children to read". I could write a book, lol

Perhaps you should try spending more time with your daughter and teaching her a thing or two instead of relying on schools to take care of your kids.

 

[CTSblues]

Hardly appropriate to average the pay of all university degree holders, and compare that to teachers pay. Would expect most teachers have a BA.


http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/01/16/the-million-dollar-promise/

Your writing is unclear, but I think I understand where you are going with your argument.

You started with the correct premise, but your conclusion, with all due respect, is faulty.

Different majors signify different levels of cognitive ability. That is very true. Trying to compare teachers’ pay to people with BA, however, is no different from comparing lawyers’ pay to people with BA, or doctors’ pay with people with BSc. You are also comparing police salary with high school grads’.

What set them apart is their professional training. It is very hard to get into a BEd, an LLB( D. Jur in some schools), or an MD program. (Even the 60 days training program at Aylmer is extremely competitive). What they learned while they are in the program is not the issue; the fact that they can get in is what matters.

In other words, these training programs serve a signaling function in society.

The article is not bad. It is right into my areas of interest or expertise: higher ed and occupational choice.

 

[probyn]

Johnarue writes: "Did the communist manifesto not explain the outcome to you?"

There you go again, resorting to insults because you cannot debate intelligently. There is little point in communicating with you, because all you can do is insult people who disagree with you.

 

[JohnLarue]

Johnarue writes: "Did the communist manifesto not explain the outcome to you?"

There you go again, resorting to insults because you cannot debate intelligently. There is little point in communicating with you, because all you can do is insult people who disagree with you.

OK , get lost then

 

[JohnLarue]

Your writing is unclear, but I think I understand where you are going with your argument.

You started with the correct premise, but your conclusion, with all due respect, is faulty.

Different majors signify different levels of cognitive ability. That is very true. Trying to compare teachers’ pay to people with BA, however, is no different from comparing lawyers’ pay to people with BA, or doctors’ pay with people with BSc. You are also comparing police salary with high school grads’.

What set them apart is their professional training. It is very hard to get into a BEd, an LLB( D. Jur in some schools), or an MD program. (Even the 60 days training program at Aylmer is extremely competitive). What they learned while they are in the program is not the issue; the fact that they can get in is what matters.

In other words, these training programs serve a signaling function in society.

The article is not bad. It is right into my areas of interest or expertise: higher ed and occupational choice.

The ability to gain acceptance to teachers college, should not entitle one to the excess teachers receive

 

[simon482]

fuck probyn figure out the quote button for fuck sake.

 

[elmo]

The ability to gain acceptance to teachers college, should not entitle one to the excess teachers receive

It doesn't. Most of them don't get the jobs. Now the government wants to make teaching qualifications 2 years instead of 1 and cut enrollment by half...wonder if they'll cut the instructors by half? Point is that graduation does not entitle one to the excess teachers receive...you have to actually become a teacher for that.

 

[probyn]

fuck probyn figure out the quote button for fuck sake.

Some people here have extreme anger management issues, getting angry over very minor things

 

[simon482]

Some people here have extreme anger management issues, getting angry over very minor things

it's not anger, it's annoyance. i am trying to follow conversations and you are making it very annoying. figure this shit out. you are supposed to be some genius that is owed a job and you want the old guys that started the business to quit and hand it over to you but you can't even figure out how to click "reply with quote". the world is doomed if left to you and people like you that think they are owed a job.

 

[probyn]

it's not anger, it's annoyance. i am trying to follow conversations and you are making it very annoying. figure this shit out. you are supposed to be some genius that is owed a job and you want the old guys that started the business to quit and hand it over to you but you can't even figure out how to click "reply with quote". the world is doomed if left to you and people like you that think they are owed a job.

That sounds like anger to me.

 

[simon482]

That sounds like anger to me.

yeah but you're a hipster. who cares what you think.

 

[buckwheat1]

Teachers do get summer off, however they only get 3 weeks paid vacation 2 at Christmas and one at march break, they do not get paid for the summer they get paid for working 193 days

 

[buckwheat1]

Most folks here are giving there personal opinion NOT fact!!!!

 

[probyn]

yeah but you're a hipster. who cares what you think.

You clearly have anger management issues. Angry people are at risk of cancer and heart disease and die prematurely. Given that you also have a weight problem, I worry about your well-being.