Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

[oldjones]

Doug has already applied for the job of chief pimp, when he suggested the city allow brothels on the Island.

Mammoliti, not Ford. The merest tad of factuality please. Google's at the top of every browser window, a C&P of your own phrase woulda turned up the right clown on page one of the results.

 

[oldjones]

Excellent news for Markham and or Vaughan.

By far a more appropriate place for a casino than downtown in my fair city. I would have preferred Woodbine myself, but Markham or Vaughan is just as good.

Soon-to-be-facing-massive-unemployment Oshawa would be even better.

 

[oldjones]

You must have some sort of reading comprehension problem don't you Fuji?!

I DO NOT AGREE that the story is not made up and that the reporters ACCURATELY reported what they experienced.

I WILL however agree that they may have been shown a video, which may have been recorded on a cell phone, which may have been of questionable video quality, which was taken by a drug dealer (whom I'm sure is a VERY reliable and credible source of information), that may have shown someone baring a similar resemblance to Rob Ford, (but is unsubstantiated and could have been some other large man with similar facial features), smoking something that resembled a glass pipe, which may have had any number of substances in it.

(I'm literally laughing my fucking ass off while I type this... IF the alleged video is in fact a reality, and IF it eventually DOES surface, I'm guessing any lawyer worth his salt, would have a field day if this case EVER see's the light of day... but I digress...)

Anyway, getting back to what I agree to... I further agree that the Star Reporters whom are handsomely PAID to dig up dirt on politicians that The Toronto Star deems to be opposing its editorial viewpoint, would view this "large man" as Rob Ford, on the sole premise that it would make an immensely great story and sell lots of newspapers! (And further smear a politician that the Star has been "after" for some time.)

I also agree that Rob Ford is a member of an elitist organization, that he is of questionable integrity, and makes poor decisions. He's a politician afterall... and he is no better or no worse than any other politician out there. They are all pretty much the same in that regard.

He is however a human being, and puts his pants on one leg at a time, and deserves fair and honest reporting... and I see very little of that coming from that rag also known as The Toronto Star.

Amazing, you say you agree with almost everything the Star reported; you even précised it quite accurately, and in the same sort of carefully hedged terms they used to report the video's existence and contents.

Then you slag them for thinking and saying exactly as you did, claiming they were somehow unfair to Ford because they reported on the video. What should they have done as Gawker broke the story they'd been pursuing for weeks? Reported nothing? How should their careful descriptions have been fairer and more honest than yours? Just about the only differences I read are that they are able to say 'we saw', while you must say 'they may have seen' the a video.

The reality that keeps slipping away is that the Star was not reporting Mayor Smokes Crack. That's something his attackers and defenders have inserted between the lines. All the Star reported, and all they can be blamed for is reporting there's a Crack Video Scandal, because Gawker had posted a story about such a video they had also seen. They could hardly fill the front page with a Luminato puff-piece, with that blowing up.

If news media couldn't publish until every fact was stripped of the possibility of inference and implication others might read in, there would be no news media at all. Likewise media like this would be thinner; it was remarkable how many posts there were in this thread yesterday afternoon, repeating unsourced gossip and unverified rumour, sometimes incorrectly at that. Even more remarkable how many were put up by posters who bitterly denounce the Star for carefully and responsibly doing a professional job of the same thing: spreading the news.

 

[boodog]

Google returns 708,000 hits for "rejected casino development -Toronto"[i.e. Hits WITHOUT Toronto], including an anti-casino vote in Vancouver high on page one. We'd likely vote to turn down several billion dollars worth of development for a tar-sands tailings pond, or a GTHA landfill as well.

Not all development is worth the cost.

If Mississauga votes for full casino at Malton or in Airport Corporation Centre area so Mississauga will enjoy all the development (and the cost to be shared by the Toronto "gamblers"), will that be okay with you?

 

[MattRoxx]

My point isnt whether a casino is good or bad, I'm pointing out Ford complete inability to make an argument that woud gain support for his plan or vision. Also I must have missed MGM Grand's offer to spend a couple of billion on a destination resort/convention centre/hotel/casino complex in Oshawa Whitby Vaughan or Mississauga. Could someone post a link? Thanks

 

[wigglee]

So much idle conjecture and speculation. Maybe the loony liberal left killed the kid so they can blame it on Mayor Ford?

or maybe you killed him so you could blame the loony left!

 

[red]

video found in al capone's vault. geraldo rivera to report live from scene

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Holyday believes video exists, but questions authenticity:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...uty_mayor_says_he_believes_star_reporter.html

Rob Ford video scandal: Deputy mayor says he believes Star reporter

Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday says that, after speaking to Star reporter Robyn Doolittle, he believes there is a video that appears to show Mayor Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine.

However, Holyday told reporters at city hall on Tuesday that he is not yet convinced the video actually shows Ford taking drugs.

Holyday said he was convinced by Doolittle during a “general conversation,” in the Star’s city hall bureau last week. “She took the time to assure me that she had seen the video and that she believed it.

“I believe that there’s a tape all right because she told me there was a tape and I believe what she said. It’s whether the tape is authentic or not.

Deputy Mayor Doug Holyday says that, after speaking to Star reporter Robyn Doolittle, he believes there is a video that appears to show Rob Ford smoking crack cocaine. zoom

“I haven’t seen the tape and I think the only way to know to really know if the tape is authentic, and to satisfy everyone, is for it to be found and analyzed and then we would know exactly what we’re dealing with.”

Ford has adamantly declared that there is no cellphone video even though Doolittle and colleague Kevin Donovan both say they were shown it in a car in Etobicoke on May 3. John Cook, editor in chief of U.S. website Gawker, says he was also shown the video and described it in similar terms.

On his Sunday afternoon radio show, Ford told a caller: “Number one, there’s no video, so that’s all I can say. You can’t comment on something that doesn’t exist.”

Asked if it is a problem that Toronto’s mayor says there is no video and his deputy mayor says there is a video, although it may not be what it appears, Holyday said: “I don’t think so because I don’t think the mayor has talked to anybody at the Star, I’m sure he hasn’t.

“From his standpoint he claims that he was not in the video, that he knows nothing of the video and that he believes that the video does not exist. Well, that’s his opinion based on his opinion on what he’s been told and what he believes.

“I, on the other hand, have talked to Robyn Doolittle and I believe Robyn Doolittle saw a video, that’s all I’m saying. Whether it’s authentic or not, is another question . . . Nobody will know until we find the video.”

Holyday said he believes that the Star should have bought the cellphone video from the drug dealers who were offering it.

However, he understands Doolittle’s response that she did not have the authority to do that.

Media organizations often pay $500 for a good picture shot by a freelancer. The video owners were asking for “six figures”, an intermediary said

 

[Ridgeman08]

Amazing, you say you agree with almost everything the Star reported; you even précised it quite accurately, in the same sort of carefully hedged terms they used to report the video's existence and contents.

Then you slag them for thinking and saying exactly as you did, claiming they were somehow unfair to Ford because they reported on the video. What should they have done as Gawker broke the story they'd been pursuing for weeks? Reported nothing? How could their careful descriptions be fairer and more honest than yours. Just about the only differences I read are that they are able to say 'we saw', while you must say they 'may have seen' the a video.

Easy...

1. I don't have 400,000 mindless readers, most of which rarely read past the headline.

2. I didn't preface my words with a very misleading headline: Rob Ford: Crack Scandal

 

[wigglee]

Mammoliti, not Ford. The merest tad of factuality please. Google's at the top of every browser window, a C&P of your own phrase woulda turned up the right clown on page one of the results.

oops....that's what you get when going by memory instead of google

 

[oldjones]

Easy...

1. I don't have 400,000 mindless readers, most of which rarely read past the headline.

2. I didn't preface my words with a very misleading headline: Rob Ford: Crack Scandal

Can't argue with number one, but neither can anyone with a brain hold a publisher responsible for the brainlessness of those who read what they put out. Or don't read, which would apparently include you.

You got number two wrong. The Star didn't preface their words with a very misleading headline either, and certainly not with the one you invented and imputed to them.

Fairness, honesty and accuracy is the least we should expect from those who call for it from others.

 

[Rockslinger]

By my count that's a majority. Isn't that how we decide stuff in democracies? What's your problem with that?

Yes, that is what we call "Mulsim Brotherhood Democracy". The tyranny of the majority tramples the rights of the minority.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Can't argue with number one, but neither can anyone with a brain hold a publisher responsible for the brainlessness of those who read what they put out. Or don't read, which would apparently include you.

The Star is not only aware of that fact... they are COUNTING on it! :hand:

Case in point: My 17 yr old daughter asked me today if it was true that the mayor of Toronto is a crack addict.

I said "What? Where did you hear that?!"

"At School", she said. "All the kids are talking about it... apparently its all over the Toronto newspapers... did you hear anything about it?"

So Of course I took the opportunity to set her straight. I explained that she needs to tell her friends that they need to read THE WHOLE STORY, not just the headlines. I explained the truth, (much like I summarized in my previous post), and do you know what she said? "Wow, that headline certainly is misleading!"

But you are right when you assume I don't read the Star on a regular basis. It, like most (all) media, is mostly full of opinion these days anyway. I long for the days when the media just REPORTED the news... not MAKE the news.

You got number two wrong. The Star didn't preface their words with a very misleading headline either, and certainly not with the one you invented and imputed to them.

Huh????

The first of many:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...al_gawkers_crackstarter_hits_200000_goal.html

"Rob Ford Crack video scandal..."

They CONTINUE to repeat it over and over again! (Only now they have dropped the "Video" notation...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/05/27/ford_nation_stands_by_their_man_porter.html

"Rob Ford Crack Scandal..."

And:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ke_a_plague_and_still_no_answers_dimanno.html

"Rob Ford Crack Scandal..."

And:

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...ctured_with_mayor_hurt_in_fatal_shooting.html

"Rob Ford Crack Scandal..."

Fairness, honesty and accuracy is the least we should expect from those who call for it from others.

The defense rests...

 

[crazy_gurl]

Couldnt resist lol

 

[5hummer]

Yes, that is what we call "Mulsim Brotherhood Democracy".

Never heard of 'em -- are they new -- any relation to Molson's?

 

[Ridgeman08]

Couldnt resist lol

LMFAO! Good one Theresa!

(Am I the only one that misses the old stubby bottle? It's as Canadian as Tim Hortons, Hockey and being able to get a tan and frostbite in the same week!)

 

[bugsbunny]

LMFAO! Good one Theresa!

(Am I the only one that misses the old stubby bottle? It's as Canadian as Tim Hortons, Hockey and being able to get a tan and frostbite in the same week!)

That is hilarious Theresa!

Ridgeman: You can still get "Red Cap" in the stubbies.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Couldnt resist lol

Now I know why they call us the Great White North :biggrin1:

 

[fuji]

CP 24 is reporting that Vaughan and/or Markham is or might be bidding for the casino. Toronto's loss is their gain. A casino will be built, just not in Toronto.

P.S. Police are back at the Millard farm.

Good. Let them have it. Then they will be world class cities like orillia.

 

[Ridgeman08]

You can still get "Red Cap" in the stubbies.