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Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

oldjones

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But smarter ones take hold of proof before pulling a rabbit out of their asses. Ms. Robyn succeeded on putting her name out there. Her words are as relevant as my ATF telling me i'm a hottie.
So your view—like others posting here—is your ATF should say nothing at all until she has proof beyond a doubt that you are indeed a hottie? That'd be no fun.

I am not so stuck on formal proof in personal matters and prefer my life, especially my sex-life, to move a tad faster than an institution as industrial, inefficient and dysfunctional as the criminal courts (whose life and death power in law equates to the dead-certain safety precautions appropriate for a hooker with full-blown AIDs). I'm pretty sure I've stayed well shy of any encounter that dangerous.

'Preponderance of evidence', 'balance of probabilities', and 'probable cause' are lesser standards of evidence that our legal systems find quite functional in decion-making, and that's just the law. Unless I've missed something no legal system has yet concerned itself (except perhaps discreetly and privately) with the Fords.

As a bunch of ordinary folks, consuming product of our media, free, and unregulated except by libel, slander, obscenity and national security laws we get to derive whatever comfort, opinion or disquiet we each of us may choose from whatever they may choose to say.

Just like you with your ATF.

As I said wise people are waiting; fools are reading the Star as if it was a charge from a prosecutor, and complaining that it should be as thoroughly proven. You of course know that even Crown Attorneys are not held to the 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard when a charge is laid ('reasonable possibility of conviction', I believe is all they need).

The Star did just what it should, kept it's ears to the ground, came up with a story, and did what they could to verify and describe it accurately while it was still news.

Wise folks wait for facts to make serious decisions; with the Ford's that'll be in 2014 for most of us. Lotsa time even to retract oour over-quick opinions. But we are as entitled to form them as the media are to report what they know, although we might be wise not to jump to dogmatic overstatement.

But—never suggesting overstatement is involved—for your example, when was wisdom any part of a hottie's dealings with their ATF?
 

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Another major twist....

Its just an Internet rumour right now but it sure adds to the drama....

if its true than it's the beginning of the end for Ford....

Though its probably not true.....
Just a gimmick to get the Crackstarter campaign to 2000000....

http://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1f5eca/breaking_news_the_video_is_out_there_at_least_3/

Here is the site the information came from http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/14268-Mayor-Rob-Ford-s-Toronto/page896 Read through the comments by MetroMan. He is the source of the information.
 

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I thought the point was he was cracked up more then is good for a guy.
I think there is more to this story to come down the pipe.
 

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The dream of Doug as Premier concurrent with Rob as mayor is dead. The whale known as Ford Nation, harpooned repeatedly and hemorrhaging profusely has now beached itself. Ford Nation is powerful, had great potential but was brought down by the "pinkos", PC elements higher up than at the municipal level and ultimately the past and present sins of Ford Nation itself.
 

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The dream of Doug as Premier concurrent with Rob as mayor is dead. The whale known as Ford Nation, harpooned repeatedly and hemorrhaging profusely has now beached itself. Ford Nation is powerful, had great potential but was brought down by the "pinkos", PC elements higher up than at the municipal level and ultimately the past and present sins of Ford Nation itself.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, all you right wing violets. With thanks to Mr. Cherry.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Maybe we'll see a white Bronco chase soon :D

 

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NOTHING has been proven... and likely never will be. Until it is, its all just hearsay and a smear campaign.
The theory of gravity has yet to be proven as well, but most people believe it. What standard of proof is reasonable here, and why?

We have reporters from a mainstream newspaper vouching for what they saw, which is corroborated by Gawker. Is that a standard of proof that a physicist would accept? Or a criminal court judge? No, but it's ridiculous to ask for that standard of proof in news reporting. You might as well decide that there isn't a civil war in Syria because it hasn't been proved in court beyond a reasonable doubt that there is one.

People who aren't weird internet kooks are going to believe that the reporters were honest in reporting what they saw: Rob Ford on video smoking a crack pipe, and that they were told by a drug dealer that there was crack in the crack pipe. That's what we know for sure. Did the drug dealer doctor the video? Probably not--it's very hard to do that. Did the drug dealer lie about what was in the crack pipe? Or lie about how long ago it was filmed? Who knows--it's easy to lie, and drug dealers aren't reputable.

So that's where we are.

I think Ford ought to submit to drug testing -- THAT would prove things even to internet kooks like you. He should be tested only for cocaine -- if he comes up clean that should be the end of it. I think we can all agree none of us care a fig if he was smoking pot so there's no point to test him for that.
 

red

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The theory of gravity has yet to be proven as well, but most people believe it. What standard of proof is reasonable here, and why?

We have reporters from a mainstream newspaper vouching for what they saw, which is corroborated by Gawker. Is that a standard of proof that a physicist would accept? Or a criminal court judge? No, but it's ridiculous to ask for that standard of proof in news reporting. You might as well decide that there isn't a civil war in Syria because it hasn't been proved in court beyond a reasonable doubt that there is one.

People who aren't weird internet kooks are going to believe that the reporters were honest in reporting what they saw: Rob Ford on video smoking a crack pipe, and that they were told by a drug dealer that there was crack in the crack pipe. That's what we know for sure. Did the drug dealer doctor the video? Probably not--it's very hard to do that. Did the drug dealer lie about what was in the crack pipe? Or lie about how long ago it was filmed? Who knows--it's easy to lie, and drug dealers aren't reputable.

So that's where we are.

I think Ford ought to submit to drug testing -- THAT would prove things even to internet kooks like you. He should be tested only for cocaine -- if he comes up clean that should be the end of it. I think we can all agree none of us care a fig if he was smoking pot so there's no point to test him for that.

there is video of the war in syria.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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there is video of the war in syria
There's also proof of gravity. Jump out of a 25-story window and report back, fuji.

Anyways, fuji does make a good point. Its highly unlikely 2 respected reporters are bullshitting aboot that video (but it is remotely possible).

So that means the video probably exists, so now its down to is it really Ford in that video, and is he really smoking crack.

I have a feeling its just video of Ford smoking some hash after a Don Bosco football practice with some of his players. But I could be wrong
 

Ridgeman08

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The theory of gravity has yet to be proven as well, but most people believe it. What standard of proof is reasonable here, and why?

We have reporters from a mainstream newspaper vouching for what they saw, which is corroborated by Gawker. Is that a standard of proof that a physicist would accept? Or a criminal court judge? No, but it's ridiculous to ask for that standard of proof in news reporting. You might as well decide that there isn't a civil war in Syria because it hasn't been proved in court beyond a reasonable doubt that there is one.

People who aren't weird internet kooks are going to believe that the reporters were honest in reporting what they saw: Rob Ford on video smoking a crack pipe, and that they were told by a drug dealer that there was crack in the crack pipe. That's what we know for sure. Did the drug dealer doctor the video? Probably not--it's very hard to do that. Did the drug dealer lie about what was in the crack pipe? Or lie about how long ago it was filmed? Who knows--it's easy to lie, and drug dealers aren't reputable.

So that's where we are.

I think Ford ought to submit to drug testing -- THAT would prove things even to internet kooks like you. He should be tested only for cocaine -- if he comes up clean that should be the end of it. I think we can all agree none of us care a fig if he was smoking pot so there's no point to test him for that.
Do you actually believe your own bullshit Fuji? :confused: Or are you just spewing drivel for our amusement. (It is rather comical, I have to admit! :rofl:)

What you submit as proof... is laughable at best. And really just a load of hearsay. The "mainstream newspaper" has an obvious hidden agenda, and the Gawker is hardly credible.

An actual video surfacing would be a start. And a drug test would also be acceptable. (Good luck with that one too...)

As for weird internet kooks, I suggest you look in the mirror...

Oh and BTW:

 
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