A good way to pay for public transit is to start making cyclist get a bike plate. Why do cyclists have to need to inch along beside a car/ pass them when a car is stopped and give a vehicle driver the bird because they think the vehicle is too close to the curb. I drive a F150 like wtf do they think I can move to?
Bid to give Toronto cyclists more road space
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If car drivers paid even a fraction of the cost of the roads they use funding would not be an issue.
The 407 sits on around 100 billion worth of real estate, land costs for the DVP and downtown roads are similarly astronomical.
Fuel taxes etc don't even cover the maintenance costs and don't even scratch the interest on the interest on the land cost.
The 407 sits on around 100 billion worth of real estate, land costs for the DVP and downtown roads are similarly astronomical.
Fuel taxes etc don't even cover the maintenance costs and don't even scratch the interest on the interest on the land cost.
land cost itself is rediculous concept. Value of land is result of bidding wars in bubbly real estate market. Land itself have no intrinsic value in a sense that you don't work to create land. Agreed on the maintenaince cost though.
A 5 year old girl was killed by a garbage truck. Driver has been charged with careless driving.
I take the bus, riding a bike in a suit is not practical for me
I think you are missing the point
Congratulations for picking such a sad, tragic accident and somehow trying to equate that with bicycles playing nice in traffic. Was the driver charged?? As far as I know he was not. He just gets to live with a lifetime of heartache.
But really, is this all you got? Well done mister.
BD
Roads are not just there to move cars around. They are avenues for goods and services. Industry would suffocate without them. Your roads are paid for in the products and the services we consume. Your government puts roads in and maintains them so that you have a job. And don't kid yourself, if your job doesn't depend on roads, your customers livelihood does.
Car drivers only pay for a portion of road repair because they only use a portion of the road. Breaker, Breaker Good Buddy.
BD
Every traffic fatality is tragic. This is one example. Garbage truck driver was charged with careless driving.
Feel free to give your own example, instead of attacking mine.
That's rockslinger for you. I have never been able to quite figure out if he is simply an insensitive little troll or just thick as brick.
You are such a jerk. This thread has been expanded to include EVERYBODY who uses our streets and the risks to cyclists, motorists, and pedestrians alike. I gave an example of one pedestrian fatality. If you don't like it, give your own example (maybe that motorcyclist who crashed yesterday on Yonge Street).
I did give my example which you seemed to have not read at all. My example talked about cyclists jumping traffic queues while navigating through traffic and I am not sure what your example is talking about.
Now I am close to agreeing with Celticman regarding the thick as a brick reference but I have seen other posts by you and on occasion, you make sense. Besides, thick as a brick is a stellar song.
How about posting the link showing the 40 pedestrians killed at cross walks. Yes, I said cross walks. If they were killed jaywalking, then as you sarcastically mentioned, they should be wearing reflective clothing because they just jumped into the deep end. BTW, ever notice some joggers at night thankfully wear reflective clothing. Why do you think that is?
BD
I did read your example. My example is that cyclists are not the only ones on the road at risk. Hence, I brought up the example of pedestrians. Truth be told, I suspect that motorists killed themselves or other motorists and pedestrians more than cyclists. I am all three, and when I cycle, I cycle aggressively (survival instinct) and am very aware of my surroundings. I don't talk on the phone, text, listen to the radio, drink coffee or apply my makeup. My total focus is on the road, cars around me and I think ahead, especially on the lookout for pedestrians who pop out on to the road from out of nowhere.
+1 Accidents happen in the blink of an eye. I should know since I've been involved in two in my life. I was almost killed on my bike in my early 20s. Always anticipate what the other guy, whether pedestrian, cyclist or car is likely to do and accomodate that person's move. Even when I have the right of way, I will cede it to someone who appears distracted or determined to make a move that would put himself or me in some jeopardy. I don't need to trade a few minutes for a trauma that could last a lifetime. I'm not talking paranoia, just extreme vigilance.
Having lived in a rural area most of my life, I'm continuously surprised at how inconsiderate all types of traffic are in Toronto, be it drivers, cyclists or pedestrians. I consider myself a considerate driver, but when that isn't returned 99% of the time, it's frustrating.
DING DING DING.
I am a very proud of my "place" type person so when I saw all the threads about how bad Toronto drivers were, I would get pissy and bite back. Well I just said last night to someone offline, that I was wrong. Toronto drivers are crap!!! I am not even in Toronto but it is close enough. Anything in southern Ontario actually. Entitled, arrogant, distracted, angry type drivers.
I never really saw it before until I started driving else where and saw how considerate others drivers are.
That's my experience from both sides of the road. I wonder if this law will apply to bikes passing cars.
When you have to wait for traffic to make a pass, have the bike pass you in the lane you have already legally occupied, then have to do it all over again it is.
I'd like to see proper planing for bike lanes, mandatory safety courses for cyclists, and cyclists rights more significant on the drivers test.
If you actually occupied the lane as you are legally entitled instead of trying to save yourself a few seconds and squeezing by cars it would be far safer. Every car behind you would know you were there and the cars in front wouldn't have to worry about you.
Too bad for you that these 'assholes' are the ones following the law. If you don't like the traffic in the big city, move.
What an insane idea. I know you're "legally" entitled to take up the entire lane on a bicycle but if every cyclist did that it would cause a traffic nightmare for one simple reason. Cyclist rarely come close to traveling at the posted speed limit which would make things 100 times more dangerous.
