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Muslims warn giving women some rights could destroy society.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/15/us-women-un-rights-idUSBRE92E03D20130315


(Reuters) - Egypt's ruling Muslim Brotherhood warns that a U.N. declaration on women's rights could destroy society by allowing a woman to travel, work and use contraception without her husband's approval and letting her control family spending.

The Islamist movement that backs President Mohamed Mursi gave 10 reasons why Muslim countries should "reject and condemn" the declaration, which the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women is racing to negotiate a consensus deal on by Friday.

The Brotherhood, whose Freedom and Justice Party propelled Mursi to power in June, posted the statement on its website, www.ikhwanweb.com, and the website of the party on Thursday.

Egypt has joined Iran, Russia and the Vatican - dubbed an "unholy alliance" by some diplomats - in threatening to derail the women's rights declaration by objecting to language on sexual, reproductive and gay rights.

The Muslim Brotherhood said the declaration would give "wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger."

U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice last week touted at the commission - a global policy-making body created in 1946 for the advancement of women - progress made by the United States in reducing the rate of violence against women by their partners.

"All 50 states in our union now have laws that treat date rape or spousal rape as just as much of a crime as rape by a stranger," Rice said. "We cannot live in truly free societies, if women and girls are not free to reach their full potential."

The contrasting views show the gap that needs to be breached in negotiations on the declaration, which this year is focused on urging an end to violence against women and girls. The commission failed to agree a declaration last year on a theme of empowering rural women due to similar disagreements.

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Egypt has proposed an amendment, diplomats say, that would allow countries to avoid implementing the declaration if it clashed with national laws, religious or cultural values. But some diplomats say this would undermine the entire declaration.

The Muslim Brotherhood warned the declaration would give girls sexual freedom, legalize abortion, provide teenagers with contraceptives, give equality to women in marriage and require men and women to share duties such as child care and chores.

It said the declaration would allow "equal rights to homosexuals, and provide protection and respect for prostitutes" and "equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships."

A coalition of Arab human rights groups - from Egypt, Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories, Jordan and Tunisia - called on countries at the Commission on the Status of Women on Thursday to stop using religion, culture, and tradition to justify abuse of women.

"The current positions taken by some Arab governments at this meeting is clearly not representative of civil society views, aspirations or best practices regarding the elimination and prevention of violence against women and girls within our countries," said the statement issued by the Coalition for Sexual and Bodily Rights in Muslim Societies.

Michelle Bachelet, a former president of Chile and head of U.N. Women, which supports the commission, said the commission was unable to reach a deal a decade ago when it last focused on the theme of women's rights and ending violence against women.

"Ten years later, we simply cannot allow disagreement or indecision to block progress for the world's women," Bachelet told the opening session of the commission last week. "The world is watching ... the violence needs to stop."

(This story corrects second paragraph to show Mursi has resigned from the Muslim Brotherhood, and corrects third paragraph to make clear it was Mursi who was elected in June, not the Muslim Brotherhood)(Editing by Mohammad Zargham)
 

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Islam is a religion stuck in the dark ages.

People will often say that Islam is a "young religion" and as such it has not had time to undergo a reformation as Christianity did and that in time Islam will go like Christianity. For example, you will often hear Muslim Appologists state, "Islam is at where Christianity was at in the middle ages - burning heretics at the stake, etc. etc." I used to buy into that.

BUT

Islam also has the bennefit of history and the bennefit of modern technology. They know EXACTLY what happened to Christianity that caused the Reformation and they (Muslims) don't like it. Not one bit. And so they will actively move to head off any attempt at dragging their religion into the here and now. At the core of this is woman's rights. Give women rights and you take away power from the men who currently control the religion and as such, keep the religion in the stone ages.

Don't expect Islam to welcome any real substantial change any time soon.
 

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Not ok for women to travel, work, or use contraception but its ok to marry them when they're 9 years old.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/15/us-women-un-rights-idUSBRE92E03D20130315
More related enlightenment from the so-called 'religion of peace' ...

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11/20/graphic-anatomy-of-a-stoning/


Honor Killings Grow in the West: Islam's Gruesome Gallery

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html


“Honor Killing” is Absolutely Islamic!

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm


Honor Killings of Muslim Women

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya7Gf24osAo
 

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I wonder why the rights should be equal. Men clearly have greater need in sex, which can be and in fact is exploited by women. The nature has compensated men for it by giving them physical strength - which is worthless today. Aren't men now in a weak position? Disabled people at least get good parking spots. What do men get?
 

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I wonder why the rights should be equal. Men clearly have greater need in sex, which can be and in fact is exploited by women. The nature has compensated men for it by giving them physical strength - which is worthless today. Aren't men now in a weak position? Disabled people at least get good parking spots. What do men get?

You want the right to rape your wife??????

You want the right to kill your children if they embarrass you in some way?

You want the right to sell your child to another a man who can rape her too????

You want the right to stone or kill your wife if she is raped by another man????

Is that good enough for you as a man?????

 

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What a backwards culture and religion.

Muslim Brotherhood = pedophiles, hatred, stupidity, murderers, rapists, pimps, abusers of woman and children and likely animals too, etc.

Besides being simply fuckn ignorant these so call men (cough, barf, puke) must be really so insecure idiots.
 

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You want the right to rape your wife??????

You want the right to kill your children if they embarrass you in some way?

You want the right to sell your child to another a man who can rape her too????

You want the right to stone or kill your wife if she is raped by another man????

Is that good enough for you as a man?????

I'm not advocating Muslim fundamentalist approach. I'm just saying that the idea that the rights should be exactly equal is not supported by anything except that we pop out of a vagina with about 50/50 chance of being a boy or a girl.
Western men are conditioned to accept the equal rights theory, but I don't see what is it based on. Nowhere in nature males are exactly equal to females.

Men and women are clearly different but they are deemed to be the same. It seems arbitrary to me. That's all.
 

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What a backwards culture and religion.

Muslim Brotherhood = pedophiles, hatred, stupidity, murderers, rapists, pimps, abusers of woman and children and likely animals too, etc.

Besides being simply fuckn ignorant these so call men (cough, barf, puke) must be really so insecure idiots.
Sounds a bit like the Catholic church to me.
Really, all religions that have extremists that have ridiculous views, and all churches have dark histories that they try not to remember.

Check out this American ass.
http://boingboing.net/2013/03/17/cpac-racism-panel-derailed-by.html

How about creationists?
Care to remember which churches backed shooting doctors who performed abortions?
Which ones backed sterilization for homosexuals?
Which ones screwed up a generation of natives around here?
 

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I read the article under discussion. At the start (3rd break) it says "Egypt has joined Iran, Russia and the Vatican - dubbed an "unholy alliance" by some diplomats - in threatening to derail the women's rights declaration by objecting to language on sexual, reproductive and gay rights."

Well this means that they joined those with the same views who had already started the fight. If those making the connection between Islam and the dark ages, is correct, we also must be made for Christianity : we have two major branches being represented. One may soften this and say not all Christianity is represented by we have the leaders of the two biggest Christian faiths represented joining the unholy alliance." And if we do restrict it to just these too branches then the same must be done for Islam, which like Christianity has many branches but unlike Catholics , Orthodox and Anglican has no official leader, only like Pat Roberson, unofficial apologists.

I am not saying many people of faith are not in the dark ages, they are, but its certainly is not restricted to the Islamic people.If Catholics still where religious enough to fear excommunication do you know think the Vatican would wield this power? It was the great worry about letting President Kennedy win the election: there was fear he would be too religious and let the Pope intimidate him. And it was not many years ago when Christian terrorists bombed each other and innocents to make their point. Its not the religion that makes people good but the belief in human rights: which was born (in part) from the rational western tradition of philosophy.


Islam is a religion stuck in the dark ages.

People will often say that Islam is a "young religion" and as such it has not had time to undergo a reformation as Christianity did and that in time Islam will go like Christianity. For example, you will often hear Muslim Appologists state, "Islam is at where Christianity was at in the middle ages - burning heretics at the stake, etc. etc." I used to buy into that.

BUT

Islam also has the bennefit of history and the bennefit of modern technology. They know EXACTLY what happened to Christianity that caused the Reformation and they (Muslims) don't like it. Not one bit. And so they will actively move to head off any attempt at dragging their religion into the here and now. At the core of this is woman's rights. Give women rights and you take away power from the men who currently control the religion and as such, keep the religion in the stone ages.

Don't expect Islam to welcome any real substantial change any time soon.
 

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Sounds a bit like the Catholic church to me.
Really, all religions that have extremists that have ridiculous views, and all churches have dark histories that they try not to remember.

Check out this American ass.
http://boingboing.net/2013/03/17/cpac-racism-panel-derailed-by.html

How about creationists?
Care to remember which churches backed shooting doctors who performed abortions?
Which ones backed sterilization for homosexuals?
Which ones screwed up a generation of natives around here?

Sure, right, go change the subject matter to defend this puke of a culture. Two wrongs dont make it right either!
 

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I'm not advocating Muslim fundamentalist approach. I'm just saying that the idea that the rights should be exactly equal is not supported by anything except that we pop out of a vagina with about 50/50 chance of being a boy or a girl.
Western men are conditioned to accept the equal rights theory, but I don't see what is it based on. Nowhere in nature males are exactly equal to females.

Men and women are clearly different but they are deemed to be the same. It seems arbitrary to me. That's all.
So women should not have a say, a vote, or anything like either? Because we just happen to get the shit end the 50/50 chance. LOL Even what we are born is created by your sex, and women for years, eons even, were blamed for not producing males. LMAO!!!!!!

Sorry but if you men{yes, in the general sense, not you directly or men who agree with equal rights and all that other shit} didn't try to suppress everything and anything you could, to dominate everything you could since the dawn of time simply to ensure your superiority over everything for nothing more then to assist in inflating your over eager sense of ego and entitlement for so many years, and treated others fairly, no one would have to fight for even the basic of rights. But since the fight has to be there may as well make them equal rights.

Every nation other then white has had to fight men for equal rights, every sex-orientation{bi, gay, les, tri, trans, etc} every religion, every female, every disabled person, everyone from a group other then white male has at some point in history had to fight for what they have from the "man". You seem more angry that we have taken things away from you, when instead it should have just been given in the first place. That is the truth.

It should not be what does the man get? That is not your question, your question or concern{ in my opinion} is how much more are people going to take from you. Sorry but I feel no ways about you as male suffering with equality. It is still FAR from equal, even here in the western world.

I don't want to really get into a debate and I am in PMS mood already you can toss away my opinion as nothing since it is all emotional based and bias based on my monthly mood cycle and all that jazz, but really???? What does the man get? Give me a fucking break...... selfish, self-centered and entitled to the core that statement is. In my humble opinion.

Anyway, good day to you. I am off to bleed and eat bonbons, the joys of being a woman. Later.
 

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Men and women are not the same (one version of equal) but the west believes on making each human life equal in value to any other human , modified only if they ignore this rule (and take a life, or other such breakages of the golden rule) its a moral equivalency, not one based on merit. If we based our society on merit, people would get as many votes based on their mark average : children would be almost of no worth, and who knows how we would value the sick.
There is a rise to idiocy in saying men and women are the same, which is like saying all people are of equal beauty intelligence wealth etc. But just like in a game of chess we don't just say :hey your smart you on, we dont have to play we have equal rules for all, and if the dumb person has a good day he has a chance, no matter how slim , of wining. And every one has the right to play and prove themselves. The Rules are equal , based on results not predetermined by race, sex or even intelligence. And like most game systems we sometimes give those new to the game a bit of a bonus to learn the game.
 

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I'm not advocating Muslim fundamentalist approach. I'm just saying that the idea that the rights should be exactly equal is not supported by anything except that we pop out of a vagina with about 50/50 chance of being a boy or a girl.
Western men are conditioned to accept the equal rights theory, but I don't see what is it based on. Nowhere in nature males are exactly equal to females.

Men and women are clearly different but they are deemed to be the same. It seems arbitrary to me. That's all.
And exactly what rights should be different?
 

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And exactly what rights should be different?
Hell if I know what should be different, but giving different people equal rights doesn't seem to resolve the problem. Someone is going to get a shitty end of the stick and it seems to be men.
 

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I wonder why the rights should be equal. Men clearly have greater need in sex, which can be and in fact is exploited by women. The nature has compensated men for it by giving them physical strength - which is worthless today. Aren't men now in a weak position? Disabled people at least get good parking spots. What do men get?
If you want to take that position, you'll have to extend that argument to the end.
Are you suggesting that men who are physically stronger, smarter, more ruthless, should be able exert themselves over all other men as well as women?
Without any consequence, because it's the law of the jungle?
I mean, it's not like they don'ty already to a large degree....but what do you really think it would be like if there were no laws to enforce the right to basic human decency for everyone?
You've got plenty of examples in countries that don't have our own standards to look at.
Have you really thought this thing through?
 

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So giving the same people different rights is clearly bad but giving different people the same rights is clearly good?
Aren't you concerned that some would inevitably benefit and some would lose?
 
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