Black Slavery in America

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A lot of people were treated badly during America's earlier days, Chinese, Irish, Italians included.
 

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A lot of people were treated badly during America's earlier days, Chinese, Irish, Italians included.
But nothing like the systematic, institutionalized, and popularized persecution of black Americans.

Being enslaved is a tad worse than being "treated badly".
 

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But nothing like the systematic, institutionalized, and popularized persecution of black Americans.

Being enslaved is a tad worse than being "treated badly".

Italians were only allowed too get jobs in construction, they are the blame for all concrete and asphalt in Toronto. You don't hear them complaining!
 

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Italians were only allowed too get jobs in construction, they are the blame for all concrete and asphalt in Toronto. You don't hear them complaining!
If you were Italian in the 50s, you could get arrested or in shit with the cops for walking on the 'wrong side of the street'. My dad was called a 'DP'. They did face discrimination, but worse was during the war where many were put into internment camps like the Japanese. Some Who's Who of Canada members changed their names from those earlier times, even though they have built this city and contributed immensely to the community (I know of some that were even in the Canadian forces during WWII).

Nothing like slavery though and what I saw in Django myself on Friday was pretty bad. The movie though had its amusing moments and characters.
 

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There is also gun violence in Toronto and Canada never had Black slavery. In fact, Blacks in Canada in the 1800's were treated better than Irish Catholics. So, what is the excuse for gun violence in Toronto? Note as well that almost all the gun violence in Toronto are committed by Jamaicans and Somalis, were their ancestors slaves in Canada?
LOL. Sure they didn't. May not be well documented or widespread (e.g. the climate to grow sugar and cotton is not present here), but it happened. Not to mention, the French were more dominant here first, and their intentions were trade; not settlement like the British.
 

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Uh, no. That would be stupid. That would be blaming people who had nothing to do with slavery and rewarding people who were never enslaved.

What I find amazing is that I can find many people here in Canada who have an irrational hate for black people or asian people or gay people or women even. They'll say something so inappropriate they stick out like a sore thumb. Their mindset is so different from your own that you can't even rationalize with them.
But one can argue that the benfits reaped from slavery are still enjoyed by the ancestors. If they were never made 'even' back then it makes sense that the divide still exists.
 

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Haha. I love your posts, you're by far the most entertaining and witty user we have on these forums.
Thank you. But a sense of modesty requires me to inform you that many posters provide me with excellent material and opportunity with their "amazing" posts :).... sometimes it's just like.............


 
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Italians were only allowed too get jobs in construction, they are the blame for all concrete and asphalt in Toronto. You don't hear them complaining!
If you were Italian in the 50s, you could get arrested or in shit with the cops for walking on the 'wrong side of the street'. My dad was called a 'DP'. They did face discrimination, but worse was during the war where many were put into internment camps like the Japanese. Some Who's Who of Canada members changed their names from those earlier times, even though they have built this city and contributed immensely to the community (I know of some that were even in the Canadian forces during WWII).

Nothing like slavery though and what I saw in Django myself on Friday was pretty bad. The movie though had its amusing moments and characters.
Comparing a couple of decades of hardship Italian/European immigrants faced is nothing like centuries of slavery and the following hardships faced by blacks. What you're talking about is the difficulties faced by a peoples who 'only' arrived here in the past 62 years on their own will, and comparing it to people who were brought here in chains and treated like livestock for hundreds of years.
 

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If you were Italian in the 50s, you could get arrested or in shit with the cops for walking on the 'wrong side of the street'. My dad was called a 'DP'. They did face discrimination, but worse was during the war where many were put into internment camps like the Japanese. Some Who's Who of Canada members changed their names from those earlier times, even though they have built this city and contributed immensely to the community (I know of some that were even in the Canadian forces during WWII).

Nothing like slavery though and what I saw in Django myself on Friday was pretty bad. The movie though had its amusing moments and characters.
My Grandfather had too change his name to an Aglo sounding one, my father wore nice suits eveybody called him Don or Mifiosa because he was lucky enough too work in a office.
 

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My Grandfather had too change his name to an Aglo sounding one, my father wore nice suits eveybody called him Don or Mafiosa because he was lucky enough too work in a office.
- fixed the spelling of Mafiosa


My older cousin was born in Italy. He said he got into fights all the time. He thought he was treated worse than visible minorities are today, but like others have said, nowhere compared to black slaves in the U.S. of course.
 

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A little further down the page than just the title, we have this;

Webb's reporting on the CIA's dealings with cocaine dealers was not without its critics. The Nationmagazine contributor David Corn, while crediting him that "it is only because of Webb that US citizens have confirmation from the CIA that it partnered up with suspected drug traffickers in the just-say-no years and that the Reagan Administration, consumed with a desire to overthrow the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, allied itself with drug thugs," also criticized Webb for overstating the case and for not proving "his more cinematic allegations."[SUP][14][/SUP]
Reason magazine's Glenn Garvin was critical of Webb's sources and of the evidence he presented. Garvin wrote that Webb's evidence that the Contra leadership was selling cocaine is almost entirely drawn from the claims of a few Nicaraguan traffickers facing long jail terms, and argued that they were using the CIA as a convenient scapegoat. Garvin also wrote that every guerilla group, including theMujahideen, FARC and Shining Path, has used the narcotics trade as a way of bolstering its funding efforts, and that far from the Contra-related drug trade being widespread it came down to a small handful of Contra pilots and their associates who were involved in narcotics. He also argued that while these covert narcotic relationships were alleged to be most rampant, the Contras had the least need for funds, as the United States was supplying them with millions of dollars a year in support.[SUP][15][/SUP]


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Comparing a couple of decades of hardship Italian/European immigrants faced is nothing like centuries of slavery and the following hardships faced by blacks. What you're talking about is the difficulties faced by a peoples who 'only' arrived here in the past 62 years on their own will, and comparing it to people who were brought here in chains and treated like livestock for hundreds of years.
The blacks really had it bad. I bet what was shown in Tarantino's movie insofar as the treatment of blacks wasn't far off if not precise. Samual L. Jackson was superb as a butler who sucked up to his white master, even if it meant at the expense of other blacks. Whether Django's character was real or not, is another issue, but it felt good when he sought revenge on those rednecks (similar to Jews getting Nazi's in Tarantino's Inglorious Bastards). I loved the character of the bounty hunter/dentist lol.
 

blackrock13

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Oh you smug little people. Give it a rest.

Slavery was awful yes but we had a civil war and ended it.

Then some 90 years later or so went after the likes of the KKK and their ilk with a passion and won.

In case you haven't noticed our President is in fact bi-racial (tho that's no reason to have elected him)

In the name of fairness mind you is someone gonna start a thread on other countries' slavery horrors? You know before 1776?

A Pot Kettle Black moment if there ever was one.
 

blackrock13

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Great job with the native people Canada. Go fuck yourselves.
If you paid attention at all you'd know I'm on the frint line of dumping on the way the governments and few nimrods on TERB treat the native Canadians, but then you've never been the sharpest tool in the TERB shed.
 

blackrock13

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I don't hide behind Aspergers moron. You're the one who's bought it up a good dozen times or so.

Another nhl season likely lost. What oh what will Canada do?
No one is claiming you hide behind it. Just that 's it's BS.

Don't you worry you pin head about us. We don't cocoon in the winter.
 

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Interesting questions James. I hope that the discussion stays civilised. A few thoughts:

It's great that it was addressed because it's an important issue that shouldn't be forgotten………hard to imagine that it will ever be forgotten, so for me, it would be a little hard to digest if a movie is needed to highlight the issues. Same applies to the Holocaust, the Japanese atrocities in WW2.

It's unfathomable how slavery was legal in that country, particularly in the south, for about 100 years…..from the perspective of our standards and culture today, projecting back into times that we cannot imagine, it is hard to fathom how slavery was practiced anywhere/everywhere. America, England, Europe (whites enslaving whites in Ancient & Medieval Europe), black on black slavery in Africa, Arab on black slavery in Africa etc.

It's also pretty amazing given their country's history of slavery and racism that less than 150 years after slavery was abolished, the American people voted in a black president….I am amazed that it took that long, an especially poor reflection on the Democratic party which typically attracts 90% of the black vote.

Do you think blacks living in American today should receive reparations for the slavery that their ancestors endured? It's been tried in the courts numerous times and it always gets shot down because of the statute of limitations i.e. too much time has passed and none of the slaves are alive today……………the question is should people who had nothing to do with it who are living today, pay reparations to people who were never enslaved? How far back in time do we go “rectifying” the past and do we try to “undo” all past grievances?

If you were a slave back then would you have revolted against your slavemaster?.....a noble sentiment, but it has to be feasible, and I do not think it was. Essentially it would have been suicide. Look what happened to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto.

I could not agree more with your comments
 
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