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Steve Ballmer's Nightmare Is Coming True
By Jay Yarow | Business Insider – Mon, Dec 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST

Almost one year ago today, we laid out the nightmare scenario for Microsoft (MSFT) that could lead to its business collapsing. After laying it all out, we concluded, "Fortunately for Microsoft, none of this is going to happen."

We were wrong.

A lot changed in the last year. Microsoft's nightmare scenario is actually starting to take hold. We're revisiting our slideshow from last year to see how things have played out.

Each number that follows has one piece of the nightmare scenario for Microsoft and an explanation of where Microsoft stands in comparison to that hypothetical situation.

1. The iPad eats the consumer PC market.

This is happening right now. In the third quarter of 2012, PC sales were down 8 percent on a year-over-year basis worldwide. In the U.S., sales were down 14 percent. A big chunk of the decline can be attributed to the rise of the iPad. Apple sold 14 million iPads last quarter, which is more than the top PC maker, Lenovo, which shipped 13.7 million PCs. Throw in Apple's 4.9 million Macs, and it's the top computer maker by a mile.

As the personal computer market goes ...

2. Employees gradually switch away from using Windows PCs for work.

This trend has not played out that dramatically in 2012. However, British bank Barclays bought 8,500 iPads at employees' insistence this year.

And a recent survey showed that the iPhone has overtaken RIM as the smartphone of choice for enterprises. As more people get comfortable with Apple's mobile products at work, Microsoft will have to worry about them converting their Windows-based computers to Macs at work, too.

Microsoft has a plan to combat this but ...

3. Windows 8 fails to stop the iPad.

Gulp. It's still early, but every most data points say Windows 8 is not going to make a dent in the iPad.

-- NPD says Windows tablet sales were "nonexistent" between 10/21 and 11/17.
-- It also says Windows sales were down 21 percent over that period on a year-over-year basis.
-- Piper analyst Gene Munster was in a Microsoft store for two hours on Black Friday and saw zero Surface sales.
-- Microsoft reportedly cut its Surface order in half.
-- Ballmer said Surface sales were "modest."

Meanwhile, we can't think of any analyst who has cut his or her iPad estimate for the quarter based on Surface sales. In Microsoft's defense, it says it sold 40 million licenses, which it says is out pacing Windows 7. There's a chance analysts are wrong.

4. Loyal developers start to leave the Microsoft platform.

We're not sure if this happening or not. So far, the early signs are actually positive for Microsoft. It has over 20,000 apps in its Windows app store. Windows 8 is only a month old. At the same time, Microsoft doesn't have a Facebook app for the Surface, and one of the biggest complaints from reviewers was the lack of good apps for Windows 8.

Windows Phone has over 100,000 apps, but iOS has 700,000 apps, with 275,000 made specifically for the iPad.

5. Windows Phone gets no traction despite the Nokia deal and RIM's collapse.

This has happened. Despite everything Microsoft has tried in mobile for the last two years, consumers aren't buying it. The latest data from IDC says Microsoft has 2 percent of the global mobile market share. And the latest phone from Nokia is thick and heavy compared to phones from Apple and Samsung. We don't expect it to be a blockbuster.

Suddenly, all the dominoes are in place for a lot of bad things to start happening. ...

6. Office loses relevance.

Microsoft's Office has been a juggernaut. In fiscal 2012, the Microsoft business division did ~$24 billion in sales.

Last year, we cautioned, "Office runs only on Microsoft platforms and the Mac. As employees start to do more and more work from non-Windows smartphones and iPads, companies may start to question why they're still buying Office for every employee and upgrading it every two or three releases."

The death of Office, has not happened, though. Despite Google's attempt to create Docs, companies aren't giving up on Excel.

7. Microsoft's other business applications start to erode.

If Windows continues to fade, and if Office starts to fade, then corporations have less reason to adopt Microsoft technologies on the back end like Exchange Server for email, SharePoint Server for collaboration, Lync for videoconferencing and real-time communication, and Dynamics for CRM and accounting.

Exchange, SharePoint, and Dynamics all bring in more than $1 billion per year, and Lync is Microsoft's fastest growing business application. Plus, they pull through a lot of other Microsoft products. ...

8. The platform business collapses.

For the last decade, Microsoft's fastest growing business segment has been Server & Tools, which did $7.4 billion in sales last year.

A lot of these sales come because Microsoft business apps — Exchange, SharePoint, and Dynamics — require these products. But as companies stop buying these apps, they will have less reason to buy the Microsoft platform products that run them, and the System Center ($1 billion+) products used to manage them.

9. The Xbox was never going to make up the slack, and Microsoft can no longer afford to keep investing in it.

In a year of relative gloom, Microsoft's Xbox has become a big bright spot for the company. Kinect is great technology, people are still buying the console, and it's been a great entry point for Microsoft to take over the living room. But, for a company like Microsoft, Xbox isn't enough. Microsoft had $21 billion in operating income last year. The Entertainment and Devices division, which is home to the Xbox had $364 million in operating income. So, as nice as Xbox is, it's not going to be enough to boost Microsoft if the rest of the business collapses.

10. Microsoft suffers a huge quarterly loss. Ballmer retires to play golf.

Let's not kid ourselves — it's going to take a sudden, unexpected disaster at Microsoft to get Ballmer out of the company.

In 2012, Microsoft had its first ever quarterly loss as a public company because it had to write down the $6.2 billion acquisition of aQuantive. Investors mostly shrugged. If Microsoft posted a real loss people would freak out. But that's going to be nearly impossible in the near term.

In the long term ...

Is this just a bad dream?

Last year, we concluded by saying, "Fortunately for Microsoft, none of this is going to happen. Windows 8 will reassert the dominance of the Windows PC. Office and other business products will remain corporate necessities, and developers will never be able to ignore Microsoft. Windows Phone will become a viable third mobile platform, the Xbox will continue to dominate the living room, and new products will surprise the pundits who thought Microsoft couldn't innovate. Even Bing will finally make a profit someday."

This year, it's a lot harder to say much of that. Windows 8 doesn't seem to be reasserting the dominance of the PC. Windows Phone is not a viable third platform. Bing is still burning money. The Microsoft nightmare scenario is actually becoming a reality.
 

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Bill gates will come back and save msft from collapsing!
It is possible if mac cut their prices by 30% then it will seriously eat pc market share.
 

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One of the biggest epic fails in tech. Microsoft had such amazing insight and foresight that the future is mobile which they predicted some 12 years prior. What is sad is the execution.

Steve Balmer is the wrong man leading Microsoft.
 

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Apple: Good security, stable system, high quality, but less features. take away features == less bugs
Android: Ok security, stable system, quality varies, and Lots of features!
Microsoft: lots of security issues, system crash all the time, require constant reboot, all useful features other than Office, comes from 3rd party developers.
 

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I'm just curious as to how many people have actually replaced their computer with an Ipad. I do not know a single person who has stopped using their laptop and in its place used an Ipad. Everyone I know with an ipad still brings a laptop along when it is time to get some work done. I have not been able to completely stop using my laptop since buying my surface tablet but I'm close. When I had work to do before I always brought along my laptop even though I already had my ipad with me. With my surface this situation is the rare exception.
 

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I'm just curious as to how many people have actually replaced their computer with an Ipad. I do not know a single person who has stopped using their laptop and in its place used an Ipad. Everyone I know with an ipad still brings a laptop along when it is time to get some work done. I have not been able to completely stop using my laptop since buying my surface tablet but I'm close. When I had work to do before I always brought along my laptop even though I already had my ipad with me. With my surface this situation is the rare exception.
I have an android tablet. I also have a phablet (the note 2). Both are indispensable. I use both of them often. They've certainly reduced some of my computer time, no question. But there's absolutely no way they can replace my PC. Like you, I don't know a single person with a tablet that has stopped using their laptop/desktop computer.
 

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I'm just curious as to how many people have actually replaced their computer with an Ipad. I do not know a single person who has stopped using their laptop and in its place used an Ipad. Everyone I know with an ipad still brings a laptop along when it is time to get some work done. I have not been able to completely stop using my laptop since buying my surface tablet but I'm close. When I had work to do before I always brought along my laptop even though I already had my ipad with me. With my surface this situation is the rare exception.
I don't know that it's that black and white. I think people use computers less, thus are less likely to replace them as often. If real Office shows up on tablets I think people will start leaving their laptops behind.

Damning statement that Apple is the largest computer maker - the market is decelerating while the tablet market is exploding.

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You really are on the bottom.

1) Microsoft isn't realy going anywhere that your doom and gloom insinuates anytime soon. They are entrenched in the enterprise - you know the other companies that make money, and they aren't interested in ripping and replacing or re-inventing the wheel.

2) Ipad isn't eating anything its a new market, and its cracks are showing. Many people who use PCs dont even need them. What do they do - surf, look at porn, use facebook, watch some movies, listen to some music - they do not create much. At most they type a letter. Most can't even use excell, let alone any of the adboe suite. This for sure, is the ipad market. Media consumers. There are others, programmers, engineers, doctors, photographers, music writers, movie producers, tv producers that use PC's mac or windows or linux. They can't do shit on an ipad. They are the innovators they use computers, not media centric toys like the Ipad. But they buy ipads because they are also media consumers, and they have a need to feel cool and hip and instyle.

3) Why do you make up crap like Win8 is failing to stop the ipad. Win 8 provides a better enterprise environment, though Win XP probably still rules at alot of places.

4) I agree with you that Balmer is a tit, with low vision.


Ballmer is an absolute disaster, with this fast paced market. He has really let the market get away from Microsoft. Google and Apple are really eating their lunch. Msft is really starting to look like IBM in the 90's.

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Apple: Good security, stable system, high quality, but less features. take away features == less bugs
Android: Ok security, stable system, quality varies, and Lots of features!
Microsoft: lots of security issues, system crash all the time, require constant reboot, all useful features other than Office, comes from 3rd party developers.
Spoken like a true Apple fanboy. Why is Apple security good and Android is only ok? Care to give an example? Security by obscurity doesn't count in my opinion.
 

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Spoken like a true Apple fanboy. Why is Apple security good and Android is only ok? Care to give an example? Security by obscurity doesn't count in my opinion.
All the malware on the play store for one example. Google has finally started to take things seriously with their bouncer software.
 

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The WINTEL platform isn't going anywhere, Apple is good for an I/O device, but that's it. I can't do my job on an iPad or an Android tablet for that matter. I'm picking up a new Windows 8 full height tower with an Intel i7 chip set tomorrow because I can WORK on it and PLAY. Our EVP incharge of IT wanted to get everyone off our laptops to iPads because they were "cool" and be extension he'd be "cool" too. The people who want an iPad to do their "work" are the ones who just read reports at the end of the day. They want to be the only KID in the meeting or on the GO Train with one to show off how "cool" they are and the rest of us aren't. Consumerism at its finest. But I don't think those same people are going to be writing a 100 page document on the care and feeding of an IBM 3890 or the business specs for the conversion of your EFT System. Can you imagine trying to create a massive spreadsheet listing the details of what servers your company uses, their IP Addresses, Server Names, Host Names along with a list of what applications actuall run on each machine, with a touch screen keyboard for input.

These machines are just for show. Now the Slate may be different because its trying to be something more. Have to wait for the PRO version to come out first.

We "mainframers" shut that shit down by pointing out that you couldn't do real work with an iPad, won't support the kinds of secure work we do, won't support 3270 sessions, etc. Now some of you may laugh but those legacy systems are the backbones of our economy. 50+ years of evolution and debugging makes for an BULLETPROOF platform to run your business from.

Servers FAIL, software vendors go out of business, or offer puffed up solutions that just don't work as well as the old COBOL systems they are trying to replace.

Microsofts market share is going to fall, but the overall market is expanding and changing. Yes both Apple and Google are going to make inroads but don't think Microsoft is DOA.
 

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3270.... LMAO.... it's a reality I know but talk about dinosaur computing....

Most professionals do very little data entry, they do data consumption - tablets are very friendly in this environment as well as for the common (surfing / email / calendar ) tasks for which a laptop is overkill.

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3270.... LMAO.... it's a reality I know but talk about dinosaur computing....

Most professionals do very little data entry, they do data consumption - tablets are very friendly in this environment as well as for the common (surfing / email / calendar ) tasks for which a laptop is overkill.

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Yes it's Old School, and it works like a charm. The Banks, Insurance companies and Government can't function without some guy like me working away on our Mainframes. I don't do Data Entry, but I write the COBOL code that supports your ATM's, Cheque processing, Electronic Funds Transfers, etc. Somebody has to perform the Business Analysis, write up the programming specifications, file layouts, testing requirements, tests plans, etc... All of this plus maintain the hundreds of legacy systems that keep our economy a float.

Guess where all of the data comes from to populate the files that get loaded on the servers, databases and spreadsheets that ultimately wind up in your inbox? Do you have any idea as to who the people are that well and truely know how a corporation lives and breaths? It ain't the professionals you are referring to, but the guys in IT who have to know what the name and charestics of a field are in some obscure file is, and what the impact is of screwing with it.

The people that produce the data, the files and the reports the keep a major corporation running, can not and will not do so from Apple or Google, but Microsoft and IBM. The iPad is a great toy for those end users who don't have to write 100 page technical specifications or know what each server across a dozen different Data Centres is called and their configuration.

Someone working in a cubicle is just pushing paper, and they don't care how it shows up, but I do. It's my job to make sure that your cheque clears, that the accounts balance in the banks back office, etc.
 

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agree with winterhawk on tablet can't do real work, but desktop has to go man. a laptop is still the ideal computing device - you can do real work and has the mobility. tablet really has no real advantage on laptop except for you can tap onscreen keyboard while standing or walking, which you shouldn't really be doing anyway.
 

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You should be corrected - most useless folk merely consume data. Professional folk actually analyze and do computations and models based on the data. They design things and build things that make the world move forward, economically an technologically. ipads and tablets of late are consumer devices.
As usual, your wrong...

First:

IDG: 91% of business pros use iPad to get things done as workers ditch notebooks


Source: IDG
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http://www.idgconnect.com/download/8007/ipad-business-survey-2012?source=connect


Second:

Ipad adoption by doctors is soaring and reportedly 62% of U.S. doctors use one for professional purposes.

http://www.themedicalbag.com/techtip/ipad-use-for-physicians

And so on:

As of April 2012, 94 percent of the Fortune 500 and 70 percent of the Global 500 were either deploying or testing it. Driving that trend: A steady increase in useful business apps and the so-called “consumerization of IT,” which sees the rank and file acclimatizing enterprise to consumer devices.

http://allthingsd.com/20120719/buyers-of-latest-ipad-more-likely-to-use-it-for-business/
 

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Yes it's Old School, and it works like a charm. The Banks, Insurance companies and Government can't function without some guy like me working away on our Mainframes. I don't do Data Entry, but I write the COBOL code that supports your ATM's, Cheque processing, Electronic Funds Transfers, etc. Somebody has to perform the Business Analysis, write up the programming specifications, file layouts, testing requirements, tests plans, etc... All of this plus maintain the hundreds of legacy systems that keep our economy a float.

Guess where all of the data comes from to populate the files that get loaded on the servers, databases and spreadsheets that ultimately wind up in your inbox? Do you have any idea as to who the people are that well and truely know how a corporation lives and breaths? It ain't the professionals you are referring to, but the guys in IT who have to know what the name and charestics of a field are in some obscure file is, and what the impact is of screwing with it.

The people that produce the data, the files and the reports the keep a major corporation running, can not and will not do so from Apple or Google, but Microsoft and IBM. The iPad is a great toy for those end users who don't have to write 100 page technical specifications or know what each server across a dozen different Data Centres is called and their configuration.

Someone working in a cubicle is just pushing paper, and they don't care how it shows up, but I do. It's my job to make sure that your cheque clears, that the accounts balance in the banks back office, etc.
Yes, I'm painfully aware of how backward bank and insurance IT systems are, two of the few industries stuck on old technology supported by old guys keeping old code cobbled together. North America is a laggard in this space, both Europe and Asia are leapfrogging our dinosaur mainframe technology with newer systems.

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agree with winterhawk on tablet can't do real work, but desktop has to go man. a laptop is still the ideal computing device - you can do real work and has the mobility. tablet really has no real advantage on laptop except for you can tap onscreen keyboard while standing or walking, which you shouldn't really be doing anyway.
LMAO!!!

So true and just confirms maxi & mini pads are mainly used by kids and the 'young at heart' for just dicking around!....:D
 

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As usual, your wrong...

First:

IDG: 91% of business pros use iPad to get things done as workers ditch notebooks
Great then this is the IDEAL TIME to BUY Apple Stock....FFS!!!

You know, before it hits $1000!!!.....:biggrin1:
 

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Yes, I'm painfully aware of how backward bank and insurance IT systems are, two of the few industries stuck on old technology supported by old guys keeping old code cobbled together. North America is a laggard in this space, both Europe and Asia are leapfrogging our dinosaur mainframe technology with newer systems.

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You've got to be kidding me? Leapfrogging ahead, the only thing that Asia is leapfrogging a head of is in Outsourcing. It's us "OLD GUYS" who have 30 plus years that have seen all of the promises come and go, I worked for IBM when they announced the IBM PC, I worked on some of the first PC's that were used by TD Bank, and helped introduce OS/2 and Windows to CIBC. I watched people come in with bright ideas that they could replace "our backward systems" with networks of PC's doing "the same work" for free as the cycles on the individual PC's didn't have to be paid for once you bought the PC. The VP in charge of providing Payroll services to over 6,000 clients of the CIBC decided to fund a project that would migrate our mainframe legacy system off the "costly" Host to this network of PC's that would do the transactions for penny's on the dollar. Now Payroll was a money maker for the CIBC, it was STABLE, RELIABLE and rarely experienced a problem while being exeucted on the mainframe under COBOL.

Well they moved everything off the mainframe to groups of PC's, because according to the talking heads, this was the wave of the future. Guess what? CIBC no longer processes payrolls anymore, they sold their business off at a LOSS and sacked the VP who pushed for this transistion. Why might you ask? Because they didn't do a proper study of how much it actually costs to run in an Mainframe environment vs a whole bunch of PC's, it turned out that it used to cost us 6 cents per transaction to process Payroll, vs $6 on the PC. Same payrolls going in, but the systems weren't as reliable, not as fast and when a problem did happen, they didn't have an easy way of detecting that an error had occurred nor a quick way to fix it before it impacted the customer.

I have worked on Mainframes, PC's, Servers, Unix, Linx, Windows, OS/2, Sybase and Oracle, etc... So I do know for which I speak. For push large volumes of Data quickly and with very little down time, NOTHING BEATS A MAINFRAME. And in case you didn't known, "Mainframes" now run on Servers via emulation software. The KEY to the Legacy systems that run on these machines is that the technology is test, tried and true. I can pick up an IBM Manual and from the code generated by the OS, I can tell exactly what is happening, if it fails, why it fails and how to fix it. As for the Mainframe it self, I can not recall a time whenever we have lost a box, they are that reliable.

Now talking servers, you have some many vendors supplying bits and peices, trying to get you to adopt their solutions that simply can not handle the data volumes or time lines to get completed work out the door. Do you have any idea of how complex it is to try and monitor thousands of servers and the less than usless automated alerts that get generated, the amount of cycles consumed by the alerts alone can cause some systems to crash. There are very few vendors that can provide the level of uptime that IBM does on it's Big Iron. When was the last time you herd of a Virus taking our one of my dinosaurs? How many times a month do you have to apply patches to a server because of possible security holes? Serves can fail for countless reasons from power blips, cooling issues, dust or some part just burns out and no one may know for hours because the automated alert gets lost in the background noise of all of the other status message.

One of the issues I have to deal with is the fact that software vendors go out of business and we're left with software we can't upgrade or fix, or that the vendor has decided not to support and instead expects you to migrate to yet another buggy solution and cause us milions of dollars in have to retest everything.

I know for a fact that some of the code I wrote 30 years ago is still running today at TD Bank because it does what they wanted, simply, effectively, cheaply.

The technology you're talking about being developed in Europe and Asia is for end users, with lower volumes and less complex than some of the sytems I've built over the years. I took a system that was supposed to run on a group of servers that we need a data trunaround of 8 hours to meet needs of the bank branch reporting requriements while at CIBC. Running the system like the Vendor had suggested but with our NATIONAL volumes would take it 22 days to process of 24/7 processing. I took their "solution", ported it to our Mainframe using their code and reworked both their code and job streams to have the work done in on average 6.5 hours because mainframes are built to handle large volumes of data.

The company I'm working for now had engaged one of Europes top software vendors to come in and rework our control software to handle printing volume of millions of statements we generate on behalf of our clients daily, they made a ton of promises that they could do it and after 2 years, gave up and paid us one hell of the fine to get out of the deal as their software just couldn't do as advertised.
 
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