teachers strike?

[t.o.leafs.fan]

There's been good will in the system for the majority of the last say 30 years. Many of those years were lean years in terms of salary increases.

 

[JohnLarue]

Does anybody know what the average Ontario teacher makes per year btw??

It is a mind -numbing average $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work
+they have benefits and a pension most of us can only dream about +
they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus
+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

The average taxpayer who is funding this ridiculous excess makes in the mid to high 40s

Teachers compensation is an inappropriate abuse of the taxpayer and it is unsustainable
Teachers are completely out of touch with the current economic realities.
I can not believe they are thinking about striking

I say fire all of them, then post their jobs at a 25% discount.
There are tons of applicants for teachers positions

 

[JohnLarue]

There's been good will in the system for the majority of the last say 30 years. Many of those years were lean years in terms of salary increases.

You must be joking?
The average teachers salary is $83K
if they had lean years in terms of salary increases, they also must have had some years with massive increases in order to get to $83K

 

[JohnLarue]

It is a shame. But it's also another example of the countless things that educators do, voluntarily/outside of their paid duties. These things really are taken for granted. I wonder how many people reflect on how much time and energy these type of things take to organize and put on. How many people say thank you (not that this is what the organizers would likely be looking for). This new bill (not the loss of sick days) is going to kill the goodwill in education that has been enjoyed in Ontario for a long time. The gov't needs to sit down and actually make an attempt to negotiate or this type of thing will be commonplace, sadly.

Goodwill??

Anyone in the private sector making $83K does over and above 9 to 5 and then some
For that salary (for only 9 1/2 months a year) they are NOT being taken for granted.
They are being compensated extremely well and they should STOP TAKING THE TAXPAYER FOR GRANTED

Instead of worrying about the goodwill that a very necessary wage freeze will use, start thinking about the damage a strike will do to the goodwill that parents have for teachers, especially considering the compensation these parasites make

Negotiate ??

That is how we got teachers making $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work??

The province is broke pilling on debt and Teachers are clearly overpaid
There is nothing to negotiate

Teachers have to sit down and realize that the Tit has gone dry and that they can not squeeze us any more

There are 4,500 CP workers who would be willing to give teaching a go and probably for a whole lot less than $83K

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It is a mind -numbing average $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work
+they have benefits and a pension most of us can only dream about +
they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus
+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

The average taxpayer who is funding this ridiculous excess makes in the mid to high 40s

Teachers compensation is an inappropriate abuse of the taxpayer and it is unsustainable
Teachers are completely out of touch with the current economic realities.
I can not believe they are thinking about striking

I say fire all of them, then post their jobs at a 25% discount.
There are tons of applicants for teachers positions

Oh wow!!! :Eek:

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

LOL. You've got some issues.

Goodwill??

Anyone in the private sector making $83K does over and above 9 to 5 and then some
For that salary (for only 9 1/2 months a year) they are NOT being taken for granted.
They are being compensated extremely well and they should STOP TAKING THE TAXPAYER FOR GRANTED

Instead of worrying about the goodwill that a very necessary wage freeze will use, start thinking about the damage a strike will do to the goodwill that parents have for teachers, especially considering the compensation these parasites make

Negotiate ??

That is how we got teachers making $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work??

The province is broke pilling on debt and Teachers are clearly overpaid
There is nothing to negotiate

Teachers have to sit down and realize that the Tit has gone dry and that they can not squeeze us any more

There are 4,500 CP workers who would be willing to give teaching a go and probably for a whole lot less than $83K

 

[frankcastle]

You must be joking?
The average teachers salary is $83K
if they had lean years in terms of salary increases, they also must have had some years with massive increases in order to get to $83K

10 years ago the max salary was in the mid 60K range. The jump happened in times of prosperity and the last contract was 4 years ago just prior to the last crash.

The increase was thanks to being given 3%/year

 

[frankcastle]

It is a mind -numbing average $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work
+they have benefits and a pension most of us can only dream about +
they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus
+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

The average taxpayer who is funding this ridiculous excess makes in the mid to high 40s

Teachers compensation is an inappropriate abuse of the taxpayer and it is unsustainable
Teachers are completely out of touch with the current economic realities.
I can not believe they are thinking about striking

I say fire all of them, then post their jobs at a 25% discount.
There are tons of applicants for teachers positions

LOL that's right fire all the teachers who started working 11 years ago or more when teaching didn't pay as much as it did today.

You'd be firing people who got into the profession for better reasons than income as they stood to make 60 someodd K. There's no way teachers could have known that the economy was going to be good enough that they got 12 years worth of 2 to 3% raises.

Then you go and replace them with young inexperienced teachers who may have signed up knowing the new salary.

If the months they work and their benefits were a secret then maybe I'd have sympathy for the teacher hater..... but if it's so great why not coast and live on easy street rather than grind it out? You might make more but you work harder for it.

I think the job is probably harder than people think. I know when my nieces and nephew leave I'm relieved..... multipy that by 10 for number of kids and multiply that by longer visits multply that by 9.5 months..... that would drive some people crazy. Not to mention some of these kids come with nut job parents.

 

[frankcastle]

+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

proof?

 

[frankcastle]

The US education system is a great example of what happens when you don't pay a good salary.

It's why Canada is competitive with the stereotypical asian countries in reading, math and science whle the US is far behind.

The US health care system though is a great example of why our best doctors leave to the states and small towns have to try and lure doctors with houses and golf club memberships.

 

[BSLover]

Actually teachers' benefits are highly overrated. I compared my benefits to one of my buddies who is a teacher and I was surprised at the poor coverage he's getting. Mine beats his easily and I didn't even opt up all the way. Also his salary is so so (again mine beats his).

And he works his ass off...honestly don't see what's so sweet about this gig. You get to stand in front of bunch of ungrateful irritants every day, deal with pissy parents and then continue to do work at home and all that for an uncompetitive wage and benefits?

I know I would never want to be a teacher. They can give me half the year off and I wouldn't care.

 

[frankcastle]

Actually teachers' benefits are highly overrated. I compared my benefits to one of my buddies who is a teacher and I was surprised at the poor coverage he's getting. Mine beats his easily and I didn't even opt up all the way. Also his salary is so so (again mine beats his).

And he works his ass off...honestly don't see what's so sweet about this gig. You get to stand in front of bunch of ungrateful irritants every day, deal with pissy parents and then continue to do work at home and all that for an uncompetitive wage and benefits?

I know I would never want to be a teacher. They can give me half the year off and I wouldn't care.

Same people who think that business men just play golf and expense their lunches and hookers.

Same people who think landscapers are overcharging but have never tried to move a 700 pound stone with two guys, a metal rod and a sagging dolly.

Same guys who think NFL kickers just kick a ball and anyone could kick a 35 yard field goal into the wind with 50K screaming fans and 11 guys trying to rip your head off.

Same people who think doctors just write prescriptions.

Same guys who think that firefighters are paid to sleep and cops are paid to sit in cars or stand at construction sites.

 

[trtinajax]

they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus

Teachers cannot bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus. The sick days that they bank must be used in subsequent years before they are eligble to collect either short or long term disability insurance benefits.

The bonus you are talking about is a 2% bonus that they can earn if they that 5 or fewer sick days during that year. If they exceed 5 sick days they do not earn the bonus. So a teacher who has 12 sick days in a year will be able to bank the 8 unused days for use in future years if they are affected by a major illness, surgery or accident. That teacher will NOT receive the 2% bonus that year. Most boards review a teachers sick days as the year proceeds and they must justify anything that the board considers excessive, most likely having to produce doctor's certificates just like every other type of employee. Most teachers will retire with 400 to 450 unused sick days that just go bye bye, no payout for them. The 2% bonus was implimented through board & union negiotiation with the purpose of encouraging teachers not to call in sick as each day a teacher is off costs the board approximately $250 to bring in a supply teacher. Two teachers will also split a class when a fellow teacher must leave during the day because of illness, using half of their prep period through a union arrangement called ON CALL that saves the government the cost of calling in a supply teacher at a full day's salary.

You people should learn the real facts of a teachers life, the education required, the abuse they take and the true extent to which most of the teachers go with extra carricular activities and marking, preparation, etc that is done at home nights, weekends, and even summers before you open your mouth complaining that the teachers are underworked & overpaid. Some of them maybe, but I think the majority earn every penny they are paid. I would think most of the abuse problems come from the little bastards that you loud mouths forgot to raise properly.

No I am not a teacher. Never have been. Never could have been. I'm a retired accountant that met your types while in management. Useless lazy people that bitched & complained about everyone else who worked their asses off & got better than you.

 

[Toke]

Damn, they cancelled the Christmas concert at my niece's grade school. She was so looking forward to singing Christmas carols with the other kids. Shame on you, teachers, shame on you. You broke an 8 year old girl's little heart because of your greed for paid sick days.

Taking it a little personal??

Me! Me! Me! That's all you complainers think about.

 

[Toke]

It is a mind -numbing average $83K for 9 1/2 months of so-called work+they have benefits and a pension most of us can only dream about +
they can bank 200 sick days for a retirement bonus
+ they can not get fired for poor performance (there is a lot of sub-par performers)

The average taxpayer who is funding this ridiculous excess makes in the mid to high 40s

Teachers compensation is an inappropriate abuse of the taxpayer and it is unsustainable
Teachers are completely out of touch with the current economic realities.
I can not believe they are thinking about striking

I say fire all of them, then post their jobs at a 25% discount.
There are tons of applicants for teachers positions

So then hire a 20-year old drop-out to do it. Nope, you want a well educated trained professional. That costs $.

 

[Toke]

The US education system is a great example of what happens when you don't pay a good salary.

It's why Canada is competitive with the stereotypical asian countries in reading, math and science whle the US is far behind.

The US health care system though is a great example of why our best doctors leave to the states and small towns have to try and lure doctors with houses and golf club memberships.

My favourite Terbite comes to the rescue with a sensible answer.

 

[red]

Red,

Think of it this way. Consider your profession. Would you want a child judging your performance? Would you want an adult, untrained in the finer details of what you do, evaluating you? I think not. What you'd want is a trained professional, accountable to another professional ( or board of professionals), making that judgement. If you were a divorce attorney, would you want your performance to be judged by the spouse of your client? After all, they have a stake in the outcome. I think not. If you are a garbage collector, would you want to be evaluated (have your job depend on) what a nutjob who thinks you should have been by their house by 7:17am says about the quality of your work? I think not! Come on...admit it

are you asking whether i think the end customer should have input in performance reviews? then- yes of course they should. your reference to the spouse of a client is nonsense- the client has input, just like store customers. if you went to a barber and he gave you a bad haircut- do you think you are not qualified to complain? if you go to a high end restaurant and receive a poor meal and bad service- do you sit quiet? do you call chefs/waiters from another restaurant to judge the experience?

parents and kids should have input on teacher performance. they are the customer.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

10 years ago the max salary was in the mid 60K range. The jump happened in times of prosperity and the last contract was 4 years ago just prior to the last crash.

The increase was thanks to being given 3%/year

So what do you think they should make then??

Assuming a teacher makes $83K now, do you think they should make $100K??

 

[Toke]

So what do you think they should make then??

Assuming a teacher makes $83K now, do you think they should make $100K??

How replaceable are teachers?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How replaceable are teachers?

You didnt answer my question