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Tipping is a hot topic, and there's many questions surrounding tipping. Who should get a tip? How much should you tip? And so on.

I think tipping needs to be re-defined. Tipping in a restaurant is practically mandatory, so instead of calling it a "tip", I think a service charge should automatically be added to the bill, say 15%. If the service is spectacular of course you can always pay above and beyond the mandatory service charge. I know one sushi restaurant that automatically adds a 10% tip to the bill, I guess because they're used to cheap customers who don't leave any tip at all, but the problem with that is that most people think the 10% tip is all you need to give and won't give the extra 5-10% that they should.

I think taxi drivers and barbers should also add a service charge to the bill. I also think those who provide a service that are making a lot of money should not feel entitled to a tip, does your proctologist deserve a tip? Sure, he probably does, but he's probably making 10 times more than most of his patients, so he doesn't really need it, whereas the waitress is pulling in less than minimum wage.

I hope they scrap the "tip" in restaurants, and add the mandatory service charge to the bill. The only problem I see is that waiters might feel they can do a crappy job because they know they'll get the service charge money anyways, but a way to counter that is if they know there's an added incentive of customers tipping above and beyond the service charge.

What are your thoughts?
 
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Having spent 20+ years in the nospitality industry I'll weigh in.
A tip is not mandatory. However it is expected when service is done properly. I have always endevoured to give above average service with the hope of monetary appreciation. And when I screwed up. I expected to lose out.
Tips is really an acronym. Meaning "To Insure Prompt Service".
As a rule the system works between most servers and guests. Really I don't see any need to change it.
 
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True, but if you did an excellent job and the customer gives you no tip at the end either because he's too cheap or because he just thinks it's optional, how would that make you feel?
 
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JamesDouglas said:
True, but if you did an excellent job and the customer gives you no tip at the end either because he's too cheap or because he just thinks it's optional, how would that make you feel?
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As a server, I would not feel well... But in this business, those are the breaks. It does not happen often.
 
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WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
A mandatory service charge? good luck with that. I can tell you that the service industry would be against that as there would be a paper trail and that income would ALL be taxable, which would be the only benefit to a mandatory charge

Why not just increase prices and pay staff properly rather than subjecting everyone to yet another service charge???

Tipping is to reward decent service. I would never eat anywhere that had a mandatory "service charge".. shitty service, I don't tip (I may leave a penny)

What I find most humourous is the tip tins at the counters in fast food joints and by the cashiers in the private liquor stores... I am supposed to tip you for you taking my order / money???
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Aren't those two one in the same; just with a different window dressing/name?
 
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In most European countries, there's a service charge added to the bill. In Australia and New Zealand tipping is not required because waiters are actually paid a decent respectable wage.
 
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WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
It is not fine because most people who receive tips are not paying their fair share of taxes on that income
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There are people earning x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 more income not paying their fair share of taxes. that should be dealt with first if anything.
 
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WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
It is not fine because most people who receive tips are not paying their fair share of taxes on that income
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While I can see that point, most tipped staff work in a highly unregulated industry (e.g. low minimum wage, owners/management who do not follow the most basic labour laws; nor are they made to).
 
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Babypowder said:
There are people earning x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 more income not paying their fair share of taxes. that should be dealt with first if anything.
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That is also correct.
 
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I want the tip to be in my hands. I always tip more than 15% unless the service is bad. If the service is bad, I do not tip, and without being angry etc. I make it known that it is not OK and somtimes take it a little further. Examples:

Boston Pizza at Yonge and Sheppard. 3 PM, place nearly empty. Totally ignored. Phoned the restaurant, asked for the manager, asked him why his staff were ignoring me. Lots of action.

Many years ago at Hy's restaurant. Placed my plate on the floor in the thoroughfare. Manager came running to see what was wrong. Mission accomplished.

Back to Boston Pizza at Yonge and Sheppard about a year later. Hopeless service, the meal was taking forever, so let the hostess know I was leaving and left. made an internet complaint the next day. No result. So next day made another internet complaint and this time informed that lots of young people came in after me and seemed to be properly served. Went on to say that this seemed like ageist discrimination and that I was taking the complaint to the Ontario human right commission. Got lots of response then. Bluffing of course, but I am not amenable to outright bad service.

I also once took Bell Canada to small claims court for $200 for wasting my time. Did not need the money, but I had had it with those people. I won the claim.

I am an easy going guy and am not picky, but have decided to push back on crap service.
 
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About a year and half ago my SO and i stopped going to restaurants.She was in the industry for years and I was sick of the food.We started cooking at home and I realized several things I did not miss

1.Waiting for anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes in room full of strangers to eat a meal
2.The meal being loaded with crap that I would never put in it at home.(msg etc etc etc)
3.Loud patrons and their unruly children who get to act like little assholes because they are not at home.
4.Line ups to get into a half decent restaurant
5.Undercooked or overcooked food.
6.Watered down drinks
7.8-9 dollars for a slice of frozen cheesecake
8.Last but not least.Tips for people who simply did not deserve it.

It's expected for a customer to tip now.For what? sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for a water refill like some third world refugee?A generic"how's everything tasting" with all the etthusiam of a medicated parrot?Ambience of a carny show?No thanks.

I've saved hundreds of dollars in the last year and a half and i don't have to deal with entitled waiters who think that uniform entitles them to charity....and boy oh boy the shit looks you get if you don't give...


Don't even get me started on the social misfits that work drive thru windows.Another social event I turfed about a year and half ago.
 
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my experience in European countries where there is almost no tipping is that service was shittier (unless it was clear to the waitress that I am from North America where people tip).
 
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Why the fuck would anyone care if someone who was getting minimum wage, wasn't declaring all tips?

Another reason the world is fucked.
 
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Scarey said:
About a year and half ago my SO and i stopped going to restaurants.She was in the industry for years and I was sick of the food.We started cooking at home and I realized several things I did not miss

1.Waiting for anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes in room full of strangers to eat a meal
2.The meal being loaded with crap that I would never put in it at home.(msg etc etc etc)
3.Loud patrons and their unruly children who get to act like little assholes because they are not at home.
4.Line ups to get into a half decent restaurant
5.Undercooked or overcooked food.
6.Watered down drinks
7.8-9 dollars for a slice of frozen cheesecake
8.Last but not least.Tips for people who simply did not deserve it.

It's expected for a customer to tip now.For what? sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for a water refill like some third world refugee?A generic"how's everything tasting" with all the etthusiam of a medicated parrot?Ambience of a carny show?No thanks.

I've saved hundreds of dollars in the last year and a half and i don't have to deal with entitled waiters who think that uniform entitles them to charity....and boy oh boy the shit looks you get if you don't give...


Don't even get me started on the social misfits that work drive thru windows.Another social event I turfed about a year and half ago.
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You and I clearly have a different idea on what a half decent restaurant is. Then again if you are using somewhere that serves food in a drive through...
 
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In Canada a tip in a restaurant is really the primary pay package for most servers, so it should only be with-held when service is so bad that the server doesn't deserve to get paid.

As for taxi drivers, hair stylists, and the like--I think tipping them is debatable. I do tip food delivery guys because I believe it's a shitty job, and I believe if I tip them well, I'll get faster/prompter delivery next time.

I try and avoid tipping hotel staff. I don't care if I get a free upgrade, or whatever. I figure the hotel should provide a good level of service at the sticker price.
 
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What's the difference between a tip and a bribe?

BTW: Never ever try to 'tip" a public servant. Firstly, they get great wages, benefits and pensions (probably better than you). Secondly, your $10,000 tip:Eek: might be misconstrued as a bribe
 
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